Wendy Zuckerman

Video editing and sound mix by Bobby Lord.

Music written by Bumi Hidaka, Peter Leonard, Emma Munger and Bobby Lord.

Thanks to the researchers that I spoke to for this episode, including Dr. Dana Liss, Dr. Puya Faridi and Dr. Timothy Piotrkowski.

as well as the Australian Science Media Centre.

Thanks for all the papers.

A big thanks to Joseph Lavelle-Wilson and the Zuckerman family.

Science Versus is a Spotify Studios original.

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Come and say hello.

Hi, I'm Wendy Zuckerman, and this is Science Versus.

Before we get into today's episode, I just want to say that we're getting advertising from various companies about AI products, but we are going to be rethinking our policy on all of this.

For those who have been writing to us, we are reading your comments.

We totally hear you.

We have to take a lot into account to try to keep this show going, and there are some balances we need to strike, but sometimes we make the wrong call.

So I just wanted to say thank you for getting in touch, and now on with the show.

Recently, the Trump administration has been rolling back protections that are designed to keep the air clean in the US.

And he's been making it easier for certain industries to pump potentially dangerous chemicals into the air.

Trump says that he's doing this to save money for the automotive and fossil fuel industry and to make cars cheaper for consumers.

And since he's said that climate change is a scam, he's obviously not worrying about that, unlike us.