Wendy Zukerman

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Thanks to all of the researchers that we spoke to for this episode, including Rafael Santos.

And a special thanks to those who talked about their Ibogaine experiences.

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Out of curiosity, did he ever find evidence that something didn't cause cancer?

Like, smoking cigarettes.

Yes, I noticed that.

Yes.

So there were a lot of scientists who were pissed off by this paper.

Yeah, yeah.

And I wanted to find out why.

And so we called up one of them, Professor Leon Schaub.

He is a vaping expert at University College London.