Wendy Zukerman

And I did find some studies, and they find things like people who vape are more likely to have lung cancer, for example.

But in all the studies that I could find, a lot of the vapers also smokes or used to smoke.

Right.

So we don't know if the cancer came from the vaping or the smoking.

It's messy.

And that makes it a real mess.

Yeah.

And so without more like evidence in people actually getting cancer, I don't think that these authors should have said that they have produced the, this is what they said in a press release.

They call it the most definitive determination that those who vape are at increased risk of cancer compared to those who don't.

I think that is an overstatement.

Strong words.

Is he mad at me?

Does making a podcast count?

That's not true, kids.

Don't let Wendy do revisionist history.

I see his point, though.

Of course.

It's like the precautionary principle, right?

You know, better to be safe than sorry.

At the same time, you doesn't really give people license to get out over their skis and say that we have proof that we don't have.