Wendy Zukerman

I mean, most people I know don't do that.

And I've never seen vapers lick the vape off their body, which is what mice might be doing because, you know, rodents groom themselves.

Oh, right.

So they'd be licking their fur that then has the vape.

Crap on there.

Which would have gotten some extra exposure, different route of exposure.

That's just a criticism you can make about these studies.

You know, I emailed the author of the paper, that paper about the mice, some questions.

Yeah.

And yeah, he said, like, we tried carefully to create conditions that are as natural as possible to what...

vapors might get exposed to.

But even he was like, yeah, ultimately, it's a study in mice.

He said, this is a quote, the major purpose of exposing mice in an inhalation chamber is to determine the effect of e-cigarette aerosols in mice.

So like, of course, we can't say the same is going to be true for humans.

Of course.

Yeah.

So the other point that Leon made, and this has to do with, I think the first thing you mentioned, Wendy, about how like, oh, it turns out the toxic chemicals, the carcinogens, they like actually get in the bodies of the vapors.

You can find them in their pee.

And that is certainly not a good thing.

Leon and other experts who commented on this paper, they pointed out that like, well, these