Werner Spitzfaden

meditating in some way but but to actually allow yourself to uh to engage in that and just stay in this moment i've got control of the car that the car is working just fine uh the bridge isn't rattling under my wheels and i am i'm moving along just terrifically here um yes i'm feeling a lot of anxiety and uh and that's to be expected and i'm working my my way through it here

meditating in some way but but to actually allow yourself to uh to engage in that and just stay in this moment i've got control of the car that the car is working just fine uh the bridge isn't rattling under my wheels and i am i'm moving along just terrifically here um yes i'm feeling a lot of anxiety and uh and that's to be expected and i'm working my my way through it here

Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, and then from here, it was really once Rhonda drove on her own. I think the intensive was right around the corner and the work started then in terms of all of us driving together. And again, just checking in with Rhonda as we're driving, following the anxiety hierarchy.

Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, and then from here, it was really once Rhonda drove on her own. I think the intensive was right around the corner and the work started then in terms of all of us driving together. And again, just checking in with Rhonda as we're driving, following the anxiety hierarchy.

And by the way, that hope message that you were just sharing, David, I think that became self-evident with the anxiety hierarchy and the third message. imaginal exposure. I think Rhonda was really shifted into a different hopeful place because she saw her scores coming down. And I think that that really allowed her to also push through and do that actual driving on her own.

And by the way, that hope message that you were just sharing, David, I think that became self-evident with the anxiety hierarchy and the third message. imaginal exposure. I think Rhonda was really shifted into a different hopeful place because she saw her scores coming down. And I think that that really allowed her to also push through and do that actual driving on her own.

Absolutely. That's right. It gave the message that it's possible to do this and be safe, even though I'm experiencing anxiety.

Absolutely. That's right. It gave the message that it's possible to do this and be safe, even though I'm experiencing anxiety.

Yeah. So then we did the actual three days, three days of driving exposures in both directions. It was four days. Yeah. I thought on the fourth day we did something. Oh, no, I came back. Yeah, that's right. Four days. And maybe you could share a little bit about what that was like for you.

Yeah. So then we did the actual three days, three days of driving exposures in both directions. It was four days. Yeah. I thought on the fourth day we did something. Oh, no, I came back. Yeah, that's right. Four days. And maybe you could share a little bit about what that was like for you.

Yeah, so some might say that that was not therapeutic. And yet, there comes a time when flexing into compassion is also therapeutic, at least in my mind. And and so but the following day, the following three days were different stories. So maybe you could share about that.

Yeah, so some might say that that was not therapeutic. And yet, there comes a time when flexing into compassion is also therapeutic, at least in my mind. And and so but the following day, the following three days were different stories. So maybe you could share about that.

Yeah, and since then, Rhonda, the homework assignments, of course, were also part of the process. And she has identified three different driving exposures of her own. And one of the assignments was that she needed to go over that 24 overpass four times in a row. And that's something. What was that like for you?

Yeah, and since then, Rhonda, the homework assignments, of course, were also part of the process. And she has identified three different driving exposures of her own. And one of the assignments was that she needed to go over that 24 overpass four times in a row. And that's something. What was that like for you?

Yeah. And there've been a couple of other exposures as well with driving. I think you went to Sacramento or also to, to a friend's. Right. Right.

Yeah. And there've been a couple of other exposures as well with driving. I think you went to Sacramento or also to, to a friend's. Right. Right.

Well, I so appreciate having worked with you, Rhonda, and I know we're still going to do a little bit more. And thank you so much again for having me on the podcast here, David and Rhonda. It's a real treat. And it was a real treat to see you again at the Intensive, David. That was just a really special four days and to watch you and Jill do the work that you did and

Well, I so appreciate having worked with you, Rhonda, and I know we're still going to do a little bit more. And thank you so much again for having me on the podcast here, David and Rhonda. It's a real treat. And it was a real treat to see you again at the Intensive, David. That was just a really special four days and to watch you and Jill do the work that you did and

and so many colleagues that we were able to reconnect with live and in person. It was really awesome.

and so many colleagues that we were able to reconnect with live and in person. It was really awesome.