Wes Streeting

One is reality.

I do think, like if you're a black person in this city today, you're four times more likely to be stopped and searched than either of us.

And I think a lot of people in the black community would say, yeah, that's two-tier policing.

I think that there is an issue sometimes of the law being applied selectively and inconsistently.

And I think those are issues of substance.

But I'd also argue that perception is also a problem.

So I've had this debate with the police over the years on fear of crime.

Because nothing... And I totally get where they're coming from.

There's nothing more frustrating when you're doing a good job and your crime numbers are falling.

And there have been some really good crime numbers falling in London.

Of being told, yeah, but everyone's worried about it still.

Everyone's worried about burglaries, which have fallen massively in my constituency.

And the police say, yeah, but that's...

But burglary is a fallacy.

Yeah, but the perception.

It changes how people feel, how they're living their lives.

So I've always argued that fear of crime should be treated almost as seriously as crime itself because of perception is lawlessness.

And I think the perception here is that there are people in our country who believe as a matter of really strong conviction that there's two-tier police and criminal justice.

Against white people.

Yeah, there is definitely a perception.