Wes Streeting

But do you think that's true?

Is there any truth?

I don't fundamentally believe that's true.

No, I don't, Lewis.

Honestly, we've got to make sure, though.

And this is where I think Shabana Mahmood is absolutely spot on and absolutely the Home Secretary for this time and the challenges we face.

She is totally clear.

One law, one English common law that applies equally and fairly to everyone consistently.

That's what we've got to make sure we reinforce.

Why aren't we?

So I separate out two things.

I mean, one is context and history.

White people are the majority in this country.

And that's not to say that white people can never experience racism, because we've seen it and we see it online too.

And it's not to say that white people can't be at the sharpest end of some of the worst inequalities and injustice.

I've experienced it myself.

You know, I was a white working class boy growing up in East London.

And look at the outcomes for kids from backgrounds like mine and not just working class kids, white boys.

So I'm not saying there aren't any inequalities or injustices that affect us, but the context is different.

And similarly, in the case of Henry Novak, can we be angry?