Will Bode

Similarly, there have been several really quite heated mandamus battles in the Fifth Circuit where like a case is filed in the Fifth Circuit. Is that how you say that? Mandamus? You prefer mandamus?

Similarly, there have been several really quite heated mandamus battles in the Fifth Circuit where like a case is filed in the Fifth Circuit. Is that how you say that? Mandamus? You prefer mandamus?

I do say gerrymander rather than gerrymander, even though the original is gerrymander.

I do say gerrymander rather than gerrymander, even though the original is gerrymander.

I mean, you just sound like Papa saying it that way. Yeah, well, I teach students both ways. I teach them at some point, somebody's going to say it's really gerrymander, and you have to decide how you... Anyway, there have been cases where the Fifth Circuit threatens to sanction people for trying to transfer cases out of the Fifth Circuit. And so those things, they make me suspicious, I gotta say.

I mean, you just sound like Papa saying it that way. Yeah, well, I teach students both ways. I teach them at some point, somebody's going to say it's really gerrymander, and you have to decide how you... Anyway, there have been cases where the Fifth Circuit threatens to sanction people for trying to transfer cases out of the Fifth Circuit. And so those things, they make me suspicious, I gotta say.

I don't understand either. And again, I don't think Judge Jones covered herself in glory in this episode. I do think there are people, and I don't think you or Steve were among them, who too frequently jump to kind of bad faith explanations for what judges are doing. And I think that's a bad thing.

I don't understand either. And again, I don't think Judge Jones covered herself in glory in this episode. I do think there are people, and I don't think you or Steve were among them, who too frequently jump to kind of bad faith explanations for what judges are doing. And I think that's a bad thing.

And I wonder if some of the Judge Jones was confused and has heard versions of the bad faith argument too many times before. And thus kind of like lumped you guys into the people making the bad faith arguments rather than the good faith arguments, which would not be exculpatory, but might be some words of this coming from.

And I wonder if some of the Judge Jones was confused and has heard versions of the bad faith argument too many times before. And thus kind of like lumped you guys into the people making the bad faith arguments rather than the good faith arguments, which would not be exculpatory, but might be some words of this coming from.

I agree. And I do, I mean, look, it is possible that Judge Kaczmarek's death threats, some of them are causally related to the amount of attention he's gotten in this context. Yeah. It's possible that if Steve Vladek hadn't written the Slate article making him a household name that he wouldn't get as many death threats as he does.

I agree. And I do, I mean, look, it is possible that Judge Kaczmarek's death threats, some of them are causally related to the amount of attention he's gotten in this context. Yeah. It's possible that if Steve Vladek hadn't written the Slate article making him a household name that he wouldn't get as many death threats as he does.

I'm a believer in academic free speech, so I think that Steve is not morally responsible for any death threats that unhinged people sent just because they listened to what Steve said. But it's possible.

I'm a believer in academic free speech, so I think that Steve is not morally responsible for any death threats that unhinged people sent just because they listened to what Steve said. But it's possible.

I made the mistake of getting into a Twitter fight with Adam Mortara over this issue, and I'm not going to make the mistake of repeating it on this podcast. OK.

I made the mistake of getting into a Twitter fight with Adam Mortara over this issue, and I'm not going to make the mistake of repeating it on this podcast. OK.

Did you think that was an appropriate response?

Did you think that was an appropriate response?

I guess I do disagree on this one, I think. And I think you mentioned this. I think there was a sort of a statement the next day by Dean Reuter that was sort of a veiled apology to Steve or a reminder that- Which is surprising.

I guess I do disagree on this one, I think. And I think you mentioned this. I think there was a sort of a statement the next day by Dean Reuter that was sort of a veiled apology to Steve or a reminder that- Which is surprising.