Will Bode

Right.

Right.

So I guess here's the thing I think is good is, I mean, I've read a lot of writing about this exchange and I've talked to a lot of people offline about this exchange and a lot of conservatives who watched this exchange, who probably didn't come into this exchange as Steve Vladek, Dan Epps, partisans left the exchange thinking that you and Steve made a lot better points than anybody else did and left the exchange, you know, like watch the exchange and left thinking like, Oh,

So I guess here's the thing I think is good is, I mean, I've read a lot of writing about this exchange and I've talked to a lot of people offline about this exchange and a lot of conservatives who watched this exchange, who probably didn't come into this exchange as Steve Vladek, Dan Epps, partisans left the exchange thinking that you and Steve made a lot better points than anybody else did and left the exchange, you know, like watch the exchange and left thinking like, Oh,

Oh, these criticisms aren't very good. And if anything are sort of damning and if this is the best they've got, you know, that moves me a little bit. And I guess I do think that's a good thing. I mean, it's not a, it's not, it doesn't speak well of, of all the people involved exactly.

Oh, these criticisms aren't very good. And if anything are sort of damning and if this is the best they've got, you know, that moves me a little bit. And I guess I do think that's a good thing. I mean, it's not a, it's not, it doesn't speak well of, of all the people involved exactly.

But I think the fact that it's a forum in which a bunch of people who don't necessarily share your priors will come and can be moved at least somewhat.

But I think the fact that it's a forum in which a bunch of people who don't necessarily share your priors will come and can be moved at least somewhat.

I think that's better than... I mean, it's not like people won't talk about these things otherwise, but I think the modal form of exchange otherwise tends more towards the echo chamber, where readers of Steve's Substack or whatever read What's Wrong with the Fifth Circuit, and Fifth Circuit clerks or people who hang out at Fifth Circuit bar events talk about why liberals don't understand what they're talking about.

I think that's better than... I mean, it's not like people won't talk about these things otherwise, but I think the modal form of exchange otherwise tends more towards the echo chamber, where readers of Steve's Substack or whatever read What's Wrong with the Fifth Circuit, and Fifth Circuit clerks or people who hang out at Fifth Circuit bar events talk about why liberals don't understand what they're talking about.

And I guess I think... It's good.

And I guess I think... It's good.

Yeah, it just depends on the judge. Look, if instead of Judge Jones, they'd gotten Justice Kavanaugh to be on the panel and talk about why he thought court repacking was a bad idea, I bet it would have been a great panel. I mean, I don't think he would have made the most sophisticated arguments, but I bet he would have said interesting things. I bet it would have been productive. Hopefully.

Yeah, it just depends on the judge. Look, if instead of Judge Jones, they'd gotten Justice Kavanaugh to be on the panel and talk about why he thought court repacking was a bad idea, I bet it would have been a great panel. I mean, I don't think he would have made the most sophisticated arguments, but I bet he would have said interesting things. I bet it would have been productive. Hopefully.

Would have been different, yeah. Hopefully he'll take the invite next time, you know?

Would have been different, yeah. Hopefully he'll take the invite next time, you know?

Who needs that stress in their lives? So with the time to reflect, are there any other things you wish you'd said that you didn't think of in the moment that you want to say now?

Who needs that stress in their lives? So with the time to reflect, are there any other things you wish you'd said that you didn't think of in the moment that you want to say now?

Yeah, I was going to say that. That was interesting. We are a Supreme Court podcast rather than a presidency podcast, so that's not immediately in our jurisdiction. Although, of course, the election and the change of administration could have lots of interesting implications for the court. I don't know if we're going to see any new nominees anytime soon.

Yeah, I was going to say that. That was interesting. We are a Supreme Court podcast rather than a presidency podcast, so that's not immediately in our jurisdiction. Although, of course, the election and the change of administration could have lots of interesting implications for the court. I don't know if we're going to see any new nominees anytime soon.