Will Carless

And they never really explain that dichotomy.

I'd say the best way they describe it is by essentially saying that most people are coming at vaccines the wrong way.

They're coming at vaccines from a place of implicit trust and implicit faith in science.

And they say that they simply don't have that when it comes to medical science.

They say that while they will trust what the science kind of shows in general, when it comes to the medical establishment, they believe it's sort of controlled and manipulated and they refuse to kind of believe the evidence that's placed in front of them and the studies that are placed in front of them.

So, yeah, I asked him about his own personal history of vaccines and he had some pretty interesting stuff to tell me.

What was the last vaccine you yourself had?

Brandy and April, they are two conservative moms who describe themselves as crunchy.

They run a podcast called Crunchy Moms Unfiltered.

And they're all about all of this stuff.

They're all about the nutrition, reading food labels, teaching other mothers, you can do this, you can get into this, you can focus on what your children consume, both in terms of what they're watching, what they're listening to, and what they're eating and physically consuming.

But they're also, I'd say, very far to the right when it comes to politics.

You know, their podcast focuses on things like conservative values, but it also focuses a little bit on some of the big sort of conspiracy theories of the right.

And they're also very interested in vaccines and focus a lot on skepticism of vaccines.

I don't want to say anti-vaccine, but I would certainly say that they're very skeptical about vaccines and about the medical establishment.

Yeah.

So April broke down what crunchy means in today's internet parlance for me.

Well, I think one has to distinguish between people like Brandy who have a direct experience or say that they have a direct experience of vaccines either harming or in some way kind of impacting their lives, and then people who are influenced by that story.

So I'd say that there is kind of a core group of people who themselves have had some sort of experience with vaccines or believe that they've had a negative experience with vaccines.

And that kind of brings them into this world.