Chapter 1: What lifestyle changes are associated with 'crunchy moms'?
In cities across the country, a growing number of American moms are embracing a lifestyle built around natural foods, fewer screens, homeschooling, and avoiding processed ingredients. On the surface, it sounds like a return to simplicity, part back to the land, part clean living. But something else is happening inside this movement, distrust of the medical system.
Conspiracy theories about vaccines abound amid a political shift toward Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his Make America Healthy Again agenda. Hello and welcome to USA Today's The Excerpt. I'm Dana Taylor. Today is Wednesday, January 21st, 2026.
USA Today national extremism reporter Will Carlos has been reporting on the rise of so-called crunchy moms, the online ecosystem that shapes their beliefs and the very real consequences the movement poses to public health. Will, thank you so much for coming back on the show.
It's always great to talk to you, Dana.
Your piece starts with two mothers in suburban Cleveland who proudly describe themselves as crunchy. They garden, check food labels, avoid dyes, and homeschool their kids. Who are crunchy moms, Will, and how do they define themselves?
Well, the label has definitely changed over the past couple of decades, really.
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Chapter 2: How has the definition of 'crunchy moms' evolved over time?
I mean, back in the day, Crunchy really described a, I say sort of an archetypal liberal, like somebody who was very progressive, your sort of classic, like tree-hugging liberal mom. These days, what's interesting is that the crunchy label has actually come to represent a very different group, which is a group of conservative moms who tend to have very traditional kind of Christian values.
What's similar about the two groups is that they're all about, as you mentioned, nutrition. They're all about what their kids eat, about ingredients, about checking health and things like that. But there's also this kind of anti-vax mentality. element of crunchy moms as well.
And so today, when you hear crunchy moms, basically you're talking about a conservative mother who is more than likely an anti-vaxxer.
And this aligning with conservative or anti-establishment politics, what's driving that shift?
I mean, essentially, you have a distrust in medical science, I think is what it comes down to. It's a distrust in science in general, but a distrust in medical science particularly. And one of the things we examine in the episode is this kind of dichotomy between these people. They trust the science in some ways, but they don't trust the science when it comes to vaccines.
And you have this sort of grassroots crunchy moms movement happening at the same time as you have this very very organized, very kind of driven political movement that is led by RFK.
And then when we look at that contradiction, Will, how do they reconcile those two views?
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Chapter 3: What role does vaccine skepticism play in the 'crunchy mom' movement?
It's really hard to describe, but essentially, I mean, I really pushed them hard on this during my interviews, but it's very strange because they trust the sort of established science when it comes to nutrition, when it comes to food, right? They will sort of say things like, well, heavy metals are very bad for children to ingest.
And the evidence that they point to are sort of National Institute of Health studies and sort of studies by large scientific organizations. But when it comes to vaccines, the studies that they're pointing at are sort of these niche, not established scientists. They're pointing at sort of people who are really kind of outliers in the scientific establishment.
And they never really explain that dichotomy. I'd say the best way they describe it is by essentially saying that most people are coming at vaccines the wrong way. They're coming at vaccines from a place of implicit trust and implicit faith in science. And they say that they simply don't have that when it comes to medical science.
They say that while they will trust what the science kind of shows in general, when it comes to the medical establishment, they believe it's sort of controlled and manipulated and they refuse to kind of believe the evidence that's placed in front of them and the studies that are placed in front of them.
Well, you recently spoke with Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. about vaccines. What did he tell you?
So, yeah, I asked him about his own personal history of vaccines and he had some pretty interesting stuff to tell me. What was the last vaccine you yourself had?
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Chapter 4: What political influences are shaping the 'Make America Healthy Again' movement?
I took a lot of flu shots up until probably mid-1990s. I was getting a flu shot every year. Why did you stop? Well, I actually stopped in 2005 when I began looking at the side effects. And actually, I was preparing litigation against some of the flu shots several years ago. And one of the injuries that was listed on a lot of them was spasmodic dystonia. which is an injury I have to my voice.
That's why my voice is so screwed up.
You spoke with several moms for this story. Tell us about Brandy Bright and April Leconte.
Brandy and April, they are two conservative moms who describe themselves as crunchy. They run a podcast called Crunchy Moms Unfiltered. And they're all about all of this stuff.
They're all about the nutrition, reading food labels, teaching other mothers, you can do this, you can get into this, you can focus on what your children consume, both in terms of what they're watching, what they're listening to, and what they're eating and physically consuming. But they're also, I'd say, very far to the right when it comes to politics.
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Chapter 5: How do mothers reconcile trust in nutrition with distrust in vaccines?
You know, their podcast focuses on things like conservative values, but it also focuses a little bit on some of the big sort of conspiracy theories of the right. And they're also very interested in vaccines and focus a lot on skepticism of vaccines. I don't want to say anti-vaccine, but I would certainly say that they're very skeptical about vaccines and about the medical establishment.
And then I know one of them talked to you about the word crunchy and how they define it or look at it.
Yeah. So April broke down what crunchy means in today's internet parlance for me.
So it's like a mainstream name for when you're really holistic or natural or the crazy moms who give no, you know, no toxins and dyes to their kids. But we love that term because it just took off and we'd go, people go, how crunchy are you?
What drove moms like Brandy and April to seek medical answers outside of the doctor's office?
Well, I think one has to distinguish between people like Brandy who have a direct experience or say that they have a direct experience of vaccines either harming or in some way kind of impacting their lives, and then people who are influenced by that story.
So I'd say that there is kind of a core group of people who themselves have had some sort of experience with vaccines or believe that they've had a negative experience with vaccines. And that kind of brings them into this world. And that's what happened with Brandy.
I don't want to be part of this movement. I'm going to cry.
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Chapter 6: What personal experiences drive mothers to seek alternative medical answers?
I didn't ask to be part of this movement. I'm part of this movement because I listened to the science and I trusted the doctors and my newborn baby was injured. I got forced into being part of this movement.
How representative is this kind of narrative within the broader movement?
Yes, I think people like Brandy who've had these kind of direct experiences, they have a sort of a ripple effect across the kind of crunchy mom universe. So what you have is you have sort of a relatively small number of people who think they've been impacted by vaccines, but their stories are very influential and very moving for kind of the broader community.
And so you have people, you know, April and Brandy are a good example. Brandy has a direct or says she has a direct experience link to problems with vaccines. April doesn't, but April has kind of come along and has believes in a lot of this stuff, mainly because of Brandy's own experiences, even though they're not her own experiences.
And so I think that that speaks to the larger community of crunchy moms, where a lot of these people might not have direct connections to this, but they read the stories. They see stories like Brandy's, they hear testimony from these people and they think, oh, I don't even want to have anything to do with that. And so they become skeptical about vaccines themselves.
Well, you describe these moms as being steeped in a, quote, parallel online world of science and pseudoscience.
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Chapter 7: How does misinformation affect the 'crunchy mom' community?
What does that ecosystem look like and why is it so effective at pulling people in?
So when you cover extremism, and you cover extremist movements, there's a lot of stuff that's very easy to dismiss, right? Because it's just kind of nonsense, like on the face of it, you know, like racism is nonsense. Like white supremacy is nonsense. Like you're able to look at it.
The problem is with the anti-vax movement and the vaccine skepticism movement is that there's kind of a kernel of truth in a lot of the things that these people believe. The study of vaccine safety, for example, is a very complex, very nuanced world, and it's not simple, it's not cut and dry.
And so the people who are pushing vaccine skepticism are able to point at the sort of anomalies and the questions in the study of vaccine safety, for example, and that draws people in. And you have people, you do have people who are impacted by vaccines. Brandy may be one of them. And so those stories are able to influence a lot of people. Now, let's be very clear.
The vast number of people who take vaccines have no problem whatsoever, right?
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Chapter 8: What is the broader societal impact of the 'crunchy moms' movement on public health?
But as one of our experts says, The problem with vaccines is that the good that they do is invisible to society. It's always there. You don't see that people aren't getting measles because they're not getting measles. What you do see is if one in a million people has an allergic reaction to a vaccine, then that's a very tangible thing that people can grab hold of.
Basically, the complication with covering this world is that there is a kernel of truth to what they're saying, and that there are certain people out there who are manipulating and using that kernel of truth to cast doubt on medical science in general, to cast doubt on vaccines. And of course, that, according to the experts, is very, very dangerous for society.
A big part of your reporting focuses on the link between Crunchy Moms and RFK Jr. 's Make America Healthy Again movement. The moms you spoke with see him as someone who is double checking the system. How central are they to Maha's rise and what political influence do they actually have?
I don't have any data for you, but I think it's very clear that on the grassroots level, I mean, this is a big movement. These are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who are watching these videos on Instagram, who are watching these TikToks, who are reading these posts on Facebook, who are deeply, deeply involved in this movement.
I think anybody listening to this will know somebody who believes these things. who is in this movement in some way, shape or form. Now, they're not all calling themselves crunchy. They're not all getting out there and kind of preaching this and posting themselves. But a lot of people out there have this kind of skepticism.
And so I'd say it's a very significant movement and kind of in keeping with with our show, extremely normal. I mean, the whole point of what we're trying to do is to describe these movements that have come from the fringes to the mainstream. I don't think you can describe Crunchy Moms as an extremist movement anymore. I think that they're deeply embedded in conservative politics today.
You also spoke with Dr. Jonathan Howard, a neurologist who's been battling vaccine misinformation for years. He had a very different perspective, especially on herd immunity. Let's give a listen to that.
If enough parents refuse to vaccinate their children, that we will lose herd immunity and we will see the return of vaccine-preventable diseases, which is already happening. We're at a 35-year high, I think, for measles here in the United States.
When you hear warnings like that, how concerned are public health officials about the scale and the speed at which these anti-vaccine beliefs are spreading?
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