Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Trump vs Harvard, Nvidia export controls, how DEI killed Hollywood with Tim Dillon
We found out that autism is caused mainly by this show. And we're going to have to take action. We've started to look at the different causes, but we're thinking it is the debate between Ezra Klein and Larry Summers that is the real villain here.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Trump vs Harvard, Nvidia export controls, how DEI killed Hollywood with Tim Dillon
And it said, we open sourced it to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it. Queen of Kinwanda.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
What did you think of Elon's first lawsuit, and then he dropped it, and then he refiled? Where do you think he's coming from?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
But why do you think he would have dropped it and then refiled? Where do you think that comes from? Is there new information, do you think?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Before we move to politics, I just wanted to actually ask you about inflection. So is it still running? Yeah. And so what basically happened, there was like some transfer payment from Microsoft and a couple of the people like, and then it seems like whatever that deal was, a little bit seems to have been copied by Google when they did this character AI thing.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So just trying to get a sense from you, are these deals to structurally avoid FTC scrutiny in terms of the building blocks of it? Or how did you think about it? And what is the pattern and the trend on these things?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I'm sorry, Pi is the inflection AI product.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Reid, were you surprised that then the first target where there was like some successful antitrust pushback was against Google versus Apple? And then second, do you think that there's a chance, like a meaningful chance that the government tries to break Google up? Or do you think it looks something maybe more similar to what happened to Microsoft?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, exactly. Reid, I have a question. A few weeks ago, you said something to the effect very publicly that you had had a one hour or multi hour lunch with Biden. And he just seemed like super on his game. And then he was kind of dumped. Was that just a moment in time where he was really great with you?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Or how do you reconcile that with Pelosi and all of these other folks and what happened to Biden?
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Do you think that they should have run an open primary after that? And would Kamala have won an open primary?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Do you want to address that, Reid? Because I think there was a rumor that you were funding some of these lawsuits to keep him off the ballot or whatever. Have you spent any money to try to impact RFK one way or the other?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Reid, I have a question for you. It's more of a statement, actually. Maybe I'd just love to get your reaction. One of the most divisive issues that we have right now is people's position on October 7th, Israel, Palestine. There is a sense that there's a growing kind of like virulent strain of anti-Semitism in America. A lot of people point to the extreme left as where that's really gestating.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
There was thoughts that Josh Shapiro would have been an exceptional candidate, but one of the large reasons why he was not really meaningfully considered was his religion.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I just want you to comment on the broad issue and whether you see it in the Democratic Party, whether you see it in the Republican Party, whether you see it at all, just give us a sense of where we stand culturally on this issue.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I think I'm going to try to keep my hair long. Let's see what happens.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I'll tell you why. I think that both the Republicans and the Democrats have realized that there's actually very little difference on a lot of the major things that they actually talk about. So what they're both being forced to do is realize that because the centrality of a bunch of the things they say are the same, they each have to go to their flanks to get the N plus one vote.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And so Kamala goes to the left and spouts all this stuff that seems Marxist or socialist or communist because she has to get those people to vote for her. Ultimately, I think what ends up happening is most of the stuff in the middle has a decent chance of happening. The stuff at the fringes, I think they get put up, sacks almost as like a sacrificial lamb.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
A good example, I think, is like all of this stuff that's happening with the student loan reform. A half a trillion dollar plan, it gets shot down by the Supreme Court. This new plan, another hundred billion dollars. not even being heard yet by the Supreme Court. So I think they know this. I mean, it's not like the Biden administration is dumb. The Trump administration is not dumb either.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
but I do have some mineral oil.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Let me just move to one thing. So, Reid, I think this has been an amazingly robust conversation. And I think you, as always, as long as I've known you now for 20 years, have been really intellectually honest. I want to ask you a favor, which is, can you stay for 10 extra minutes and talk with us to Bobby Kennedy?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And the reason I want you to do that is I think that there is a bunch of misinformation. I asked you about these things. I think it's important to hear maybe from Bobby and just for him to know what you said, because I do think it's important to hear it from the horse's mouth. Can you just give us like five, 10 minutes so that we can do that? Because I think it would be an important thing to do.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So when is that? No, just right now. Yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So, Jason, I, you know, I'm not actually, I haven't actually terminated my campaign yet. I suspended it. We've taken ourselves, or we're trying to take ourselves off the ballot in about 11 states. So we'll remain on the ballot in 39 states. And all red, all blue states will be on the ballot
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
in the states where we felt we were going to hurt President Trump with a polling show that we're getting off there, mainly the battleground states. Ironically now, the same people who've been trying to get me off the ballot for a year or since October, are now fighting to keep me on the ballot in those states. So that's one of the sort of ironies.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
You know, it became clear about two months ago when it became clear that I was not gonna be allowed on the debating stage. And I pretty much had a shutout in the mainstream media. The mainstream media, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, in 16 or 17 months, I had only two live interviews. Ross Perot, during his 10-month campaign, had 34 interviews.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And then, you know, all of them were very, very much aligned with the Democratic National Committee. And so when they did mention my name, which was pretty often, it was accompanied by a lot of defamations and pejoratives and slander. mischaracterizations, et cetera. I never really had a chance to reach those audiences. The audiences that I was reaching, I was dominating in.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I was beating all the candidates on independence, which is now the largest demographic. I was beating them among young people, so your audience was supporting me. The audiences that were listening to long-form interviews, I was dominating.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
But in the older audiences, which is a critical baby boomers, people who really should have been for me because they are people who, from my generation, who remember the Kennedy administration, they were part of Camelot. They also, I was very, very popular with them for many years when I was the environmental champion alone.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And I should have had good inroads, but I was never able to communicate with them. Because they watch, they get their news from the mainstream media. And if you're living in that information ecosystem, you're going to have a very, very low opinion of me. I mean, if I was getting my information from those networks, I wouldn't vote for myself.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And President Trump reached out to me through this guy, Cali Mains, who's a food advocate, a safe food advocate, about three hours after the shooting in Butler. I got a call from him. And he asked me if I was still interested in the, specifically in the VP slot. And I said, no, which I would not have taken the vice president slot.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And he said, would I talk to, be willing to talk to the administration, to President Trump, rather. And at first I said, no. And I talked with some of my family members, including my kids. And I then sent Kelly Means a note saying, you know, I'm interested in talking. And I got a call almost immediately from President Trump. I spent about 30 minutes on the phone with him.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And we met the next day in Minneapolis. And then we met again more recently. We had continuing talks with him. And we met again more recently for a very, very intensive and long meeting at Mar-a-Lago with some of his family members. And during those meetings, during the first meeting,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
We talked about the idea of having a unity ticket where I would remain on the ballot, where we would ally ourselves on certain critical issues, but we would be able to continue to criticize each other on the issues that we did not align on. And President Trump was very happy with that arrangement.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And the issues, the critical issues on which we agreed, and I was really stunned to see the level of his commitment to those issues was one. And there are three issues that really got me into the presidential campaign. One was ending the war in Ukraine. The second issue is ending the censorship issue.
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And the third issue, and most important to me, was addressing the childhood chronic disease epidemic and these connected issues about soil health and the corruption in our regulatory agencies by USDA and FDA, NIH, CDC, and HHS, which have become sock puppets. for the big pharmaceutical, big ag, big food processing industries that they're supposed to be regulating.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
He was very, very much aligned on those issues and it gave us essentially a beachhead in which to construct this, an alliance.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Bobby, let me ask you a question. I just want to go back a little bit because I just want to make sure I heard it properly. When Cali called you Was it to be the VP on the Trump ticket? And did you, was that asked and did you consider it? And why did you say no to that but then said yes to this?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Well, I had no interest in being a vice president. If you're a vice president, it's a, you know, I grew up in politics and vice president is the worst job in Washington. You have no budget. You have no staff except what, your budget actually all comes through the White House. If you do something that offends the president, he can literally, you know, he can take away your plane.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Every day I've showered since I've gotten back.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
He can take away your staff. And the only thing you really have is the Naval Observatory, which is the official residence of the vice president. And he can essentially put you under house arrest. And, you know, I have very strong views on issues. And I, you know, I felt like if I took that job, I'd be on house arrest probably on day three. So, you know, I was never interested in that.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Sorry, Bobby, keep going.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, it was a very hard-wrenched decision. But, you know, my whole kind of journey was over the past 17 months was just kind of a series of very, very difficult transitions, you know, away from the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party was... My family is one of the central pillars of the Democratic Party.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
My family has been in the Democratic Party since 1848, since my great-grandparents came over. My great-grandfather, Honey Fitz, was the first Irish Catholic mayor of Boston. His contemporary, Patrick Joseph Kennedy, was a state senator and political boss in Massachusetts. My grandfather, Joseph Kennedy, was FDR's treasurer. He was the first head of the SEC.
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He was the ambassador to the Court of St. James, deeply, deeply immersed in Democratic Party politics. All of my uncles, Joe Kennedy, who was a delegate to the 1940 convention, who spoke there, a featured speaker, and then was killed in World War II. My uncle John Kennedy was the first Irish Catholic president of the United States.
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My other uncle, Ted Kennedy, who was one of the longest, I think the second or third longest serving member of the United States Senate, his name on more bills than any other senator in United States history. And then, of course, my father, who was attorney general and A sort of walk away from that party was, you know, I guess it was very, very difficult for me.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And I was actually the last person in my campaign to understand the necessity of that. The Democratic Party was not going to allow me to compete fairly. They had rigged the system against us in ways that were really quite extraordinary. They had just walked away from democracy. They were canceling primaries. They had
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
They had chosen their candidate and it was going to be President Biden and I was really a nuisance to them. And so my voice was not allowed out there. And so that was difficult. And then leaving, you know, I declared independence in October. And joining Trump, President Trump, I burned a lot of bridges. I burned my boats, let me put it that way.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Well, you know, I do want to say that I feel like I didn't really leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me and left the ruins of the infrastructure that I think my uncle and father had, that had made them Democrats. If you went down a list of all of the priorities that Robert Kennedy, that John Kennedy had, I would check every box. They were anti-war, they were anti-censorship.
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They were against the corporate control of our country. This corrupt merger of state and corporate power that now has emerged as a dominant governing model in our country. The Democratic Party has changed demographically. When I grew up in a Democratic Party that was the party of the working class in our country, that was a party of Small businesses, that was the party of the poor.
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In the last election, President Biden got roughly half of the country voting for him, but that half controlled 70% of GDP. And President Trump got about half the country voting for him, and that half represents about 30% of GDP. So we've had this inversion where the Democratic Party has become the party of wealth, of elites, and I would say very insular elites.
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And the Republican Party is now the party of the poor, the working class. And it's been, you know, for me to watch that, I've been on the front lines. of watching it. And, you know, the values that held the Democratic Party together are no longer there. It's held together by a sense of tribalism and a great, great sense of what I would say orchestrated fear of Donald Trump.
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You don't have the sea to use as a natural, you know, disinfectant and deodorant.
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It's the only value that really dominates any discussion If I talk about censorship to a Democrat, they'll say, yes, but Donald Trump is going to become a dictator. If you talk about children's health, they'll say, never mind that. Donald Trump is the only thing we can worry about. If you talk about the history of the Democratic Party's opposition to war, they'll say, forget all that.
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The only thing we can focus on is Donald Trump. That's a very, very dismaying and, I would say, dangerous form of orchestrated tribalism. And one of the other features of the Democratic Party is this need to control, this mistrust of the plebiscite, mistrust of the demos. You know, demos is a Greek word for people, and the Democratic Party doesn't trust the people.
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That's why they have to get rid of elections. That's why they had to get me off the ballot. Oh, my God. I did something everybody said, all the pundits said could never be done. So I got on the ballot in every state. I got a million people that signed their signatures petitioning me on the ballot. And the Democratic Party's strategy, rather than to use the $3 billion it had,
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amplify a message and inspire people and talk about a vision and the virtues of its candidates. Instead, use that money to try to get me off the ballot, to get Cornell OS, to get Jill Stein, to use the courts, to use the enforcement agencies, including the Secret Service, the CIA, the FBI. to try to rig the election.
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And it ultimately comes down to this mistrust of the people, which we're seeing now all over. We're seeing the kind of two big forces emerge. One is a populist force and the other is a force of control, of ironclad control. We saw Europe has already fallen. You saw the arrest of Pavel Durov last week, which was extraordinary.
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The arrest of the guy who founded Telegram because he was hosting political dissent. And, you know, the European Commission is already openly censoring content. So they did not need to arrest him. They can take off whatever they want. They went through the trouble of actually, and probably with U.S. encouragement, you know, catching him when he happened to land for a refueling stop in France.
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France has this extraordinary tradition of free speech that, you know, began with the French Revolution. And then again in the 1880s, they passed all these incredible laws. their commitment to free speech is as robust as that in the United States. And yet now, you know, and two weeks before that, you had this crazy European commissioner, Thierry Breton,
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saying that ordering, ordering Elon Musk to not interview Donald Trump, a former president of the United States, the nominee of one of the two major political parties, and the world is not allowed to hear his point of view. It's extraordinary. That is what's coming to this country, and you can already, and a Democratic Party,
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is that the party of control, and it's the party of not trusting the people.
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Let's, Bobby, let's talk about something then. Let's assume that this election goes in the direction of now your preferred direction, which is Donald Trump wins. What role would you play? And what is your agenda? What is it that you want to accomplish? And explain, make America healthy again in that context, maybe.
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I mean, it's the three issues ending censorship, and that's pretty easy to do. You can do it with a series of executive orders ending the Ukraine war, which is complex, but I think can be done very, very quickly. And then, you know, the food issue. Now, it's food, it's medicines, it's corruption in the regulatory agencies.
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But would you be a secretary in that administration? Would you be a special advisor?
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There is no, you know, there is no deal in terms of me getting a particular post. Oh, there's just an understanding that there would be some kind of co-governance. And The Trump people have already demonstrated their good faith by inviting me to be on the transition team as one of the co-chairs.
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And they've done something really wonderful, which is to bring Tulsi Gabbard in, who shares a lot of my views on this issue as the other co-chair. And I think that's a signal that they're sending that they are sincere about this. I'm making a commitment to these issues.
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I mean, the big problem is you can't really trust the government to tell you the truth. The agencies are all compromised. They all have very, very bad conflicts. Almost all the people, for example, on the on the food recommendation committees at FDA are people who are part of the food industry. And the same is true on the pharmaceutical side.
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The people who are making decisions about what's good for you are actually people who are making huge amounts of profit on those recommendations. And so you can't really trust that the recommendations are are in your best interest. And what we know is that there is no more profitable, there's no bigger profit center or industry in this country than a sick child.
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And a sick child is a lifetime customer, a lifetime consumer of very, very expensive products. And you have this alliance between a food industry and a pharmaceutical industry. to keep our children sick, get them addicted. In the 70s and 80s, the tobacco industry was under attack, and the two biggest tobacco companies went out and bought all the big food companies.
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Yeah, and Kraft. You had Philip Morris buy Kraft. And they took a lot of the scientists from the tobacco industry who are experts on making products addictive, and they put them to work on making food addictive, on making ultra-processed food. So adding ingredients that make food, that destroy the satiability of food so that food doesn't fill you up, so you're always craving more food.
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And those products, many of them are products, you know, we have almost a thousand chemicals in our foods that are banned in Europe and banned in other countries. And those products are products that have been introduced by chemists. That did not exist before and the body does not handle them well. And, you know, we're seeing this explosion in chronic disease.
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When my uncle was president, 6% of Americans had chronic disease. You know what the budget was for chronic disease when my uncle was president? Zero. There wasn't any drugs for it. There was no expenditures on chronic disease. Today, it's $4.3 trillion. It's five times our military budget.
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And the people who are making money are the pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies, which actually you would think insurance companies would want people to be, well, they actually make more money if they're sick. The hospital is the medical cartel. The people we trust to make advice to us about our health are actually compromised. And that's the difficult part.
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You've got to unravel that corporate capture.
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Exfoliant also.
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I think what Bobby says rings true in the way that I live my life and I just see it demonstrated on my own body. You're right, Jason. My wife's Italian. She runs an Italian company. She works Italian and American hours for 10 months out of the year. And for those 10 weeks, we go there and we flip schedule. But when I'm there, I'm consuming Italian produce that isn't packed in plastic.
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I go to a local fruit store. I go to the local fish vendor. And my body changes. And I know that because the people that see me when I get back, they always comment, oh, did you lose weight? Oh, do you look thinner or this or that? And what's interesting is I actually do a body composition before I leave and after. I've done this for seven years now.
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And I can tell you that my weight doesn't change that much, but my body composition is completely different. And I don't know what it is except the things that I'm putting in my body that's different. And so I see it and I'm running an A-B test every day.
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The fish is outrageous. But there are ways to eat at a materially lower price than there is here. And the access to the ultra-processed food is different there. You can't get the stuff. And when you do find that stuff, it doesn't have the same glycemic and metabolic load on your body.
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Yeah, and this goes to David's point that we need to have cheap food and that that is kind of an outcome that is an admirable or virtuous outcome. The problem is that food isn't cheap. It's cheap on the shelf, but it imposes costs on the rest of us that were the externalities that we're paying elsewhere. So when I was a kid,
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A typical pediatrician would see one case of juvenile diabetes in his lifetime. Over a 40- or 50-year career, one case. It was essentially non-existent disease. Today, one out of every three children who walks through his office door is diabetic or pre-diabetic. When I was a kid, the autism rates were between 1 and 1,500. to 1 in 10,000 Americans.
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And that is still true in my generation, 70-year-old men. In my kids' generation, according to CDC, it's 1 out of every 34 kids. Some states, like California, it's 1 out of every 22. 77% of Americans are now, or 74% of adults are obese. Half our kids, obesity... When, you know, 100 years ago, if you were obese, you could get a job in the circus. It was so unusual.
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So we're now, and who's making a profit now? Ozempic. Ozempic's not going to. You can, obesity is absolutely, and diabetes are absolutely treatable by good food. That's the cause. Now, Ozempic is a good profit center for pharma. There's a bill now which has been paid for by the company that makes it, which is the biggest company in Europe, Novo Nordisk.
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In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
In Denmark, where that company is, they do not recommend it. The treatment of diabetes, the standard of care, is diet and exercise. But that company's entire value is based upon the projections of what it's going to sell in the United States. And that company is pouring tens of millions of dollars into lobbying to pass this bill that will make Medicare pay for it for every American who's obese.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
That could be 74% of people are now eligible. I think it's $1,500 a week. The cost of that will be $3 trillion a year. If you took $3 trillion a year, a tiny fraction of that, you could buy organic food, three meals a day for every human being in the United States. So wouldn't that be a better expenditure of our money?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And, you know, what I would say is the food producers, it's not a conspiracy, it's just... people following perverse incentives. And there are conspiracies.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I mean, when I sued Monsanto, we got emails that showed that the head of the pesticide division, Jess Rowland, for a decade at EPA was secretly working for Monsanto the entire time, sabotaging studies, creating false science to hide the carcinogenic nature of Roundup. So there are those kind of instances throughout the federal government, but mainly it's just perverse incentives.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Almost close to 100% of our agricultural subsidies go to processed food. I mean, go to commodity agriculture, which is the feedstock for processed food.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
oh and then if you look at mostly mostly for mostly for me if the industry controls through lobbying and through you know all these other mechanisms for corporate capture controls the expenditures in the food stamp program so seventy percent of the food stamp program goes for processed food ten percent goes for sugar drinks like coca-cola which are just diabetes machines.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So why are we poisoning poor kids in this country? The school lunch program, the same thing, almost 80%, I think 77% of food, the lunch program is terrible foods that are actually poisoning our children. And don't we care enough about our kids to say, we want to care about them, we want to make sure that they're not sick, They are the most precious things in our country.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Shouldn't that be the focus? And whatever we're doing to make them so sick, When I was a kid, 6% of American kids had chronic disease. Today, 60%. Is that not an alarm? Is that not something that we should all be concerned about?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Bobby, can you comment on when people talk about revamping the food supply, one of the things that sometimes is not allowed to be said is that focusing on organic food and produce can exclude certain communities. And so there's like this DEI filter that preferring that is almost racist in some way. Like, can you just comment on that whole vein of thinking and your thought on that?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I think feeding people poisonous food is racist. By the way, the NAACP gets huge amounts of money every year from the food industry. It may be one of the biggest. I think Coca-Cola is the biggest supporter of NAACP. A lot of the NGOs that are supposed to be
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Concern about the disproportionate impact on minority communities of federal policies have actually been bought off and bought into the process. And, you know, a lot of times those are the voices you hear saying this is racist. What's really racist is poisoning black Americans because these are communities that are food deserts.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The school lunch program, oftentimes in those communities, the biggest access that they have to food, and we're giving them poison food. Many of these communities have no grocery stores. They definitely don't have Whole Foods. They don't have access to those kinds of foods. Shouldn't we have national policies that... then make sure our people are healthy.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And, you know, they use, of course, market dynamics, but also supports. We're giving billions of dollars in agricultural subsidies for farmers to addict farmers to growing commodity agriculture, which is bad food. It's low in nutrients. It's high in chemicals. It's high in pesticides. And, you know, we need to change these perverse incentives so that and feed America.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
You know, how can anybody argue with this? How can anybody say that we should not have healthy children, that we should be giving people food that is hurting them? It's just it doesn't make any sense.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Well, let me react to the last thing you said about President Trump. I think if President Trump wins, that people are gonna see a very different President Trump than they did during the first term. I think he's changed as a person, and I've known him for 30 years. I've sued him, I've litigated against him, and had a friendship with him even when I was litigating against him.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
and by the way, successfully against him. But I think he is, he's focused on his legacy. He said many interesting things to me about what he did wrong the last time and about how He had no idea he was going to win. He had no idea how to govern. And people descended on him the day that he got elected and said, you got to appoint this guy, appoint this guy.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And he said, I appointed a lot of people I shouldn't have appointed. I know who they are now. He also said something interesting to me. He said, the Democrats, one of the big sort of fulcrums of their terror of Trump is that He's going to implement this Heritage Foundation, you know, blueprint, which is called Project 2025.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And he brought this issue up to me and he said, you know, they're always telling me I'm for Project 2025. I never read Project 2025 until they started accusing me of it. He said, that was written by a right-wing asshole, is what he said. He said, there are left-wing assholes, and there are right-wing assholes, and it was a right-wing asshole who wrote that thing.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And then he started going through it. So, you know, I think there's a lot. And I think he's interested in his legacy now. He wants to leave behind... some accomplishments. And he wants to make our country better. And I think he's, you know, he's listening to a wider range of voices and he's preparing to govern right now.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And, you know, I'm going to be on the transition committee picking the people who are going to govern Tulsi's gonna be, there's gonna be a wide diversity of stakeholders, but he's listening to more than just that kind of narrow right-wing band that people are terrified of.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Can I respond to the other part of David's question? Sure. I think, to me, the most troubling thing about what's happening now, you've had two Democratic candidates who've not been able to give unscripted interviews, which is extraordinary.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
My father and uncle were so proud of the United States, our capacity to engage in debate, to defend who we were in the world, to defend a vision of our country, to articulate it to the rest of the world, to be the leaders of the free world. and have a command of the facts and of knowledge and to be eloquent. And how can you be a leader in the world?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
What does the rest of the world think of us right now? I mean, what could they possibly think? We have two Democratic Party candidates who are not able to explain themselves in an interview. Bill Maris said the other day something really, I think, poignant, which is if you want the job of handling the nuclear code, you've got to do an interview first.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And how can you go 30, 39 days without talking to the press, without being able to defend your record, to explain who you are to the American people? And if you talk to Democrats about this, And you can get past the anger and past the vitriol and this kind of wall of tribal resistance to any new knowledge coming in or any contrary facts.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
What they'll say is, well, we're not really voting for Kamala. We're voting for the apparatus. And you ask the next question. Yeah. Has that apparatus served you? Has the open border served you? Has the $35 trillion debt served you? Has the endless wars served you? Has the destruction of the American middle class? Highest inflation rate in a generation.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Has any of that actually, you know, has that apparatus produced something for the United States that you're so proud of that you want to blindly vote without knowing who you're voting for?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with Reid Hoffman & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I walked here, but I had it totally unbuttoned and I thought this is completely inappropriate for Menlo Park in August. So I buttoned two buttons.
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I'm not exactly sure because I'm not in there. I mean, it is difficult to integrate them because Medicare is under fee-for-service. It's paid for by employer taxes. Medicaid is fully paid for by the federal government, and it's not fee-for-service.
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Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with, look, If we finally beat Medicare.
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We know it's an environmental exposure. It has to be. Genes do not cause epidemics. They can provide a vulnerability. You need an environmental toxin.
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We're going to follow this science no matter what it says, and we will have some of the answers by September.
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I would You know, what I would say is my opinions about vaccines are irrelevant. I, you know, I don't want to seem like I'm being evasive. But I don't think people should be taking advice, medical advice from me.
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Turmoil at the DOJ after prosecutors quit in protest
In the past, those people, almost all of them, have severe, severe conflicts of interest. And that's not good for our country.
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How Democrats are trying to win back voters
I think there's a fighting versus kind of being more cautious divide still. I'd put Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. If you listen to them carefully, they're the Democratic leaders. What they say is we should not go overboard. We should not oppose too much. We should let Trump sink on his own. Like if you look at Schumer, he didn't want to do a government shutdown.
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In part, he was saying that Trump himself is going to make a lot of mistakes like he did in 2017. Let's let him fail on his own. That's one strategy. And then you have a lot of other Democrats who are out there saying we need to oppose him because the midterms are not next week. They're a year and a half from now. So we need to do stuff we can to oppose him now.
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The real divide is over kind of fight versus kind of wait till the midterms.
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So what I was getting at was that inevitably win an election, you have to win people who are independents, moderates. And what I was trying to argue is like you're seeing a lot of different things going on right now. You have Governor Whitmer, who is focused very much on working with Trump and showing herself to be bipartisan.
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You also have people like Raphael Warnock, who's in Georgia, who won a lot of moderates in his reelection, who are being pretty critical of Trump and not being particularly conciliatory with him. So you have a bunch of different people trying a bunch of different approaches.
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I think the main divide is between people who think you have to win over Republican voters by saying, I agree with Trump on some things, and you have other people who are saying – Republican voters don't love Trump either. That's why he's unpopular.
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So you need to win a tiny sliver of moderates, independents, some of whom voted for Trump, but the sort of core Trump base likes Trump and they're not going to vote for a Democrat. So I think part of the question is like, It looks like Trump's got probably 40, 43 percent of people who are permanently with him. And that's what the approved ratings show.
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But you probably have 7 or 8 percent of people who looks like in the polls who voted for Trump but don't like him now. And how do you get them to vote for Democrats? And I guess the Whitmer theory is to emphasize bipartisanship. I think the Bernie Sanders theory is to emphasize policies that work for the working class.
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And even if they're not necessarily bipartisan, I think that's the split is important. between how much do kind of swing voters vote based on how much you like Republicanism versus are they just looking for an appealing message? And it could come from the left, the center or the right on some level.
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I think the 2025 is focused on the tariffs and how many sort of normal federal employees who do normal things, they fired. I think that's something that's resonating. Elon Musk being in cabinet meetings strikes people as being weird. The fact that Trump keeps saying Canada should be the 51st state, which is annoying Canadians and Americans, I think.
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So in some ways, I think if the midterms were today, the Democrats should just run a bunch of ads finding the seven most outlandish things Trump has done, and that would be a good campaign. And in fact, we don't have to guess. The new prime minister of Canada, I don't really know what his policy agenda is. He didn't talk about it very much. His idea basically is we are Canadians. We are normal.
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Trump is crazy. And his poll numbers shot up. And that party won an election they were going to lose. And so in some ways, if you're the Democrats in Congress, you should be thinking, should the Democrats have a good message, a unified message? Sure. But that message probably needs to be less about our plans for raising the minimum wage or our plans to –
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change immigration policy or our plans to build manufacturing and just more, unfortunately, more negative campaigning against Trump. We'll probably get it done right now. I think that's where people are. When you get to the presidential campaign, you do have to choose, is the Buttigieg message better than the Sanders one, better than the AOC one? But I think we're not there yet.
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There are visions being debated right now, but I think that conversation is getting shunted in a certain way because every day Trump does something extreme. And so I think in some ways the urgency about what Trump is doing is sort of, to use another word, is trumping the discussion about what the Democrats should do next.
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Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He delivered a gift to humanity. He angered the gods, and they condemned him to push a rock up the hill every day, and then it would roll down. When he got to the top, it would roll down, and he'd spend the night going back down the hill to collect it and then rolling it back up the hill again. And the task was absurd. It was insurmountable. He could never win.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But the last line of that book is one of the great lines, which is something to the extent that I can picture Sisyphus smiling. Because Camus' belief was that even though his task was insurmountable, that he was a happy man. And he was a happy man because he put his shoulder to the stone. He took his duty. He embraced the task and the, you know, and the absurdity of life.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he pushed the stone up the hill. And that if we do that, and if, you know, we find ways of being of service to others, that is, you know, the ultimate, that's the key to the lock. That's the solution to the puzzle.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And we can bring meaning not only to our own lives, but we can bring meaning to the universe as well. We can bring some kind of order to life. The embrace of those tasks and the commitment to service resonates out from us to the rest of humanity in some way.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I was born nine years after the end of World War II, and I grew up in a generation that was, you know, with my parents who were fixated on that, on, you know, what happened, and my father, At that time, the resolution in the minds of most Americans, and I think people around the world, is that there had been something wrong with the German people.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
That the Germans had been particularly susceptible to this kind of demagoguery and to following a powerful leader and to industrializing cruelty and violence. and murder. And my father always differed with that. My father said, this is not a German problem. This could happen to all of us. We're all just inches away from barbarity.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the thing that keeps us safe in this country are the institutions of our democracy, our constitution. It's not our nature. Our nature is has to be restrained. And that comes through self-restraint, but it also, you know, the beauty of our country is that we devise these institutions that are designed to allow us to flourish
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
but at the same time, not to give us enough freedom to flourish, but also create enough order to keep us from collapsing into barbarity. So, you know, one of the other things that my father talked about from when I was little, you know, he would ask us this question, if you were the family of
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Anne Frank came to your door and asked you to hide her, would you be one of the people who hit her and risked your own life, or would you be one of the people who turned her in? And of course, we would all say, of course, we would hide Anne Frank and take the risk. But that's been something, kind of a lesson, a challenge that has always been near the
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
occurs in the United States, which my father thought was quite possible. He was conscious about how fragile democracy actually is, that would I be one of the ones who would resist the totalitarianism, or would I be one of the people who... Who went along with it? Would I be one of the people who was at the train station in Krakow or even Berlin and saw people being shipped off to camps?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And just put my head down and pretend I didn't see it because talking about it would be destructive to my career and maybe my freedom and even my life. So, you know, that has been a challenge that my father gave to me and all of my brothers and sisters. And it's something that I've never forgotten.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And we also, you know, we have the capacity to deceive ourselves. And all of us tend to kind of judge ourselves by our intentions and our actions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
First of all, I'll say this about my uncle because, you know, I'm going to apply that question to my uncle and my father. My uncle was asked when he first met Jackie Bouvier, who later became Jackie Kennedy, she was a reporter for a newspaper and she had a kind of column where she'd do these kind of pithy interviews with both famous people and kind of men in the street interviews.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And she was interviewing him, and she asked him what he believed his best quality was, his strongest virtue. And she thought that he would say courage because he had been a war hero. He was the only president who—and this one, he was senator, by the way—
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
story of him as a hero in World War II, and then he had come home and he had written a book on moral courage among American politicians and won the Pulitzer Prize. That book, Profiles in Courage, which was a series of incidents where American political leaders made decisions to embrace principle, even though their careers were at stake, and in most cases were destroyed by their choice.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
She thought he was going to say courage, but he didn't. He said curiosity. And I think, you know, looking back at his life, that the best, that that was true, and that was the quality that allowed him to put himself in the shoes of his adversaries.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he always said that if you, if the only way that we're gonna have peace is if we're able to put ourselves in the shoes of our adversaries, understand their behavior and their context, that context. And that's why he was able to, you know, during the, he was able to resist the intelligence apparatus in the military
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
During the Bay of Pigs, when they said, you've got to send in the Essex, the aircraft carrier, and he said no, even though he'd only been two months in office. He was able to stand up to them because he was able to put himself in the shoes of both Castro and Khrushchev and understand there's got to be another solution to this. And then during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he was able to do it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The narrative was, okay, Khrushchev acted... in a way, as an aggressor, to put missiles in our hemisphere. How dare he do that? And Jack and my father were able to say, well, wait a minute, he's doing that because we put missiles in Turkey and Italy that were right on, you know, the Turkish ones right on the Russian border.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And they then made a secret deal with Dobrin and with Ambassador Dobrin and with Khrushchev to remove the missiles in Turkey. If he moved the Jupiter missiles from Turkey, so long as Khrushchev removed them from Cuba. There were 13 men on the executive, on the end.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
they call the ancon committee which was the group of people who were deciding you know what the action was what what they were going to do to end the cuban missile crisis and virtually i and of those men 11 of them wanted to invade and wanted to bomb and invade and it was jack and then later on
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
My father and Bob McNamara, who were the only people who were with him, because he was able to see the world from Khrushchev's point of view, he believed that there was another solution. And then he also had the moral courage. So my father, you know, to get back to your question, that...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
famously said that moral courage is the most important quality, and it's more rare than courage on a football field or courage in battle than physical courage. It's much more difficult to come by, but it's the most important quality in a human being.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
It certainly requires moral courage to act on it, you know, and particularly, you know, in You know, any time that a nation is at war, there's kind of a momentum or an inertia that says, okay, let's not look at this from the other person's point of view. And that's the time we really need to do that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Vladimir Putin could have avoided the war in the Ukraine. His invasion was illegal. It was unnecessary and it was brutal. But I think it's important for us to to move beyond these kind of comic book depictions of a, you know, of this insane, avaricious Russian leader who wants to restore the Soviet empire.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that that's why, and it was, and who made it an unfoked, unprovoked invasion of the Ukraine. He was provoked. And we were provoking him, and we were provoking him since 1997. And it's not just me that's saying that. I mean, when, and before Putin ever came in, we were provoking Russians in this way unnecessarily.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And to go back that time in 1992, when the Russians moved out, when the Soviet Union was collapsing, the Russians moved out of East Germany And they did that, which was a huge concession to them. They had 400,000 troops in East Germany at that time, and they were facing NATO troops on the other side of the wall. Gorbachev made this huge concession where he said to George Bush,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I'm going to move all of our troops out, and you can then reunify Germany under NATO, which was a hostile army to the Soviet. It was created with hostile intent toward the Soviet Union. And he said, you can take Germany, but I want your promise that you will not move NATO to the east. And James Baker, who was the Secretary of State, famously said this. I will not move NATO.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
We will not move NATO one inch to the east. So then five years later in 1997, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was kind of the father of the neocons, who was a Democrat at that time, served in the Carter administration. He said he published a paper, a blueprint paper. for moving NATO right up to the Russian border, a thousand miles to the east, and taking over 14 nations.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And at that time, George Kennan, who was kind of the deity of American diplomats, he was probably, arguably, the most important diplomat in American history. He was the architect of the containment policy during World War II. And he said, this is It's insane and it's unnecessary. And if you do this, it's going to provoke the Russians to a violent response.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And we should be making friends with the Russians. They lost the Cold War. We should be treating them the way that we treated our adversaries afterwards. World War II, like with a Marshall Plan to try to help them incorporate into Europe and to be part of the brotherhood of, you know, of man and of Western nations.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
We shouldn't continue to be treating them as an enemy and particularly surrounding them at their borders. William Perry, who was then the Secretary of Defense, under Bill Clinton, threatened to resign. He was so upset by this plan to move NATO to the east. And William Burns, who was then the U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union, who is now, at this moment, said at that time the same thing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
If you do this, it is going to provoke the Russians toward a military response. And we moved all around Russia. We moved to 14 nations, 1,000 miles to the east, and we put Aegis missile systems in two nations in Romania and Poland. So we did what the Russians had done to us in 1962 that would have provoked the invasion of Cuba.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
We put those missile systems back there, and then we walk away unilaterally, walk away from the two nuclear missile treaties, the intermediate nuclear missile treaties that we had with Russia. when neither of us would put those missile systems on the borders. We walk away from that and we put Aegis missile systems, which are nuclear capable.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They can carry the Tomahawk missiles, which have nuclear warheads. So the last country that they didn't take was the Ukraine. And the Russians said, and in fact, Bill Perry said this, or William Burns said it, so now they had a CIA. It is a red line. If we go into, if we bring NATO into Ukraine, that is a red line for the Russians. They cannot live with it. They cannot live with it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Russia has been invaded three times through the Ukraine. The last time it was invaded, we killed, or the Germans killed one out of every seven Russians. They destroyed, my uncle described what happened to Russia in his famous American University speech in 1963, 60 years ago this month.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
or last month, 60 years ago in June, June 10th, 1963, he told, that speech was telling the American people, put yourself in the shoes of the Russians. We need to do that if we're going to make peace. And he said, all of us have been taught, you know, that we won the war, but we didn't win the war. The Russians, if anybody won the war against Hitler, it was the Russians.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Their country was destroyed. They All of their cities, and he said, imagine if all of the cities on the east coast of Chicago were reduced to rubble and all of the fields burned, all of the forests burned. That's what happened to Russia. That's what they gave so that we could get rid of Adolf Hitler. And he had them put themselves in their position.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And, you know, today there's none of that happening. We have refused repeatedly to talk to the Russians. We've broken up their two treaties, the Minsk agreements, which the Russians were willing to sign. And they said, we will stay out. The Russians didn't want the Ukraine. They showed that when the Donbass region voted 90 to 10 against
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
to leave and go to Russia, Putin said, no, w we want Ukraine to stay intact, but we want you to sign a Minsk accords to, to, you know, they, the Russians were, were very worried because of the us involvement in the coup in Ukraine in 2014. And then the oppression and the, and the, you know, and the killing of 14,000 ethnic Russians and Russia hasn't had the same re the same way that if Mexico
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
put Aegis missile systems from China or Russia on our border, and then killed 14,000 expats American, we would go in there. He does have a national security interest in the Ukraine. He has an interest in protecting the Russian-speaking people of the Ukraine, the ethnic Russians. And The Minsk Accords did that. It left Ukraine as part of Russia.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
It left them as a semi-autonomous region that could continue to use their own language, which is essentially banned by the coup, by the government we put in in 2014. And we sabotaged that agreement. And we now know in April of 2022 –
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Zelensky and Putin had inked a deal already to another peace agreement, and that the United States sent Boris Johnson, the neocons in the White House sent Boris Johnson over to the Ukraine to sabotage that agreement. So what do I think? I think this is a proxy war. I think this is a war that the neocons in the White House wanted. They've said for two decades they wanted this war.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that they wanted to use Ukraine as a pawn in a proxy war between United States and Russia, the same as we used Afghanistan. And in fact, they say it, this is the model. Let's use the Afghanistan model. That was said again and again. And to get the Russians to overextend their troops and then fight them using local fighters and U.S. weapons.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And when President Biden was asked, why are we in the Ukraine? He was honest. He says to depose Vladimir Putin, regime change for Vladimir Putin. And when his defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, in April 2022 was asked, you know, why are we there? He said to degrade the Russians' capacity to fight anywhere, to exhaust the Russian army and degrade its capacity to fight elsewhere in the world.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
That's not a humanitarian mission. That's not what we were told. We were told this was an unprovoked invasion. But... and that we're there to bring a humanitarian relief to the Ukrainians. But that is the opposite.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
That is a war of attrition that is designed to chew up, to turn this little nation into an abattoir of death for the flower of Ukrainian youth in order to advance a geopolitical ambition of certain people within the White House. And, you know, I think that's wrong. We should be talking to the Russians the way that, you know, Nixon talked to Brezhnev
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The way that Bush talked to Gorbachev, the way that my uncle talked to Khrushchev, we need to be talking with the Russians, we should, and negotiating. And we need to be looking about how do we end this and preserve peace in Europe.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Absolutely.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Listen, I don't know exactly. I can't say because I just, I don't know enough about him or about, you know, the evidence that I've seen is that he is homicidal. He kills his enemies or poisons them. And, you know, the reaction I've seen to that, to those accusations from him have laugh it off. I think he's a dangerous man in that, of course, there's probably corruption in his regime.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But having said that, it's not our business to change the Russian government. And anybody who thinks it's a good idea to do regime change in Russia, which has more nuclear weapons than we do, is, I think, irresponsible. And Vladimir Putin himself has
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
russia and it was clear when he said that that he was talking about himself and uh and he has his hand on a button that could bring you know armageddon to the entire planet so why are we messing with this it's not our job to change that regime and and we should be making friends with the russians we shouldn't be treating them as an enemy now we've pushed them into the camp with china that's not a good thing for our country and by the way you know the
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
What we're doing now does not appear to be weakening Putin at all. Putin now, you know, if you believe the polls that are coming out of Russia, they show him, you know, the most recent polls that I've seen show him with an 89% popularity that people in Russia support the war in Ukraine, and they support him as an individual.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I understand there's problems with polling and you don't know what to believe, but the polls consistently show that. And it's not America's business to be the policeman of the world and to be changing regimes in the world. That's illegal. We shouldn't be breaking international laws.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You know, we should actually be looking for ways to improve relationships with Russia, not to, you know, not to destroy Russia, not to destroy and not to choose its leadership for them. That's up to the Russian people, not us.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I think the U.S. can play a really important role, and a U.S. president can play a really important role by reassuring the Russians that we're not going to consider them an enemy anymore, that we want to be friends. And it doesn't mean that you have to let down your guard completely. The way that you do it, which was the way President Kennedy did it, is you do it one step at a time.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You take baby steps. We do a unilateral move. reduce our hostility and aggression, and see if the Russians reciprocate. And that's the way that we should be doing it. And we should be easing our way into a positive relationship with Russia. We have a lot in common with Russia, and we should be friends with Russia and with the Russian people. And apparently there's been 350,000 Ukrainians
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
who have died at least in this war. And there's probably been 60 or 80,000 Russians, and that should not give us any joy. It should not give us any, you know, I saw Lindsey Graham on TV saying, you know, anything we can, something to the extent that anything we can do to kill Russians is a good use of our money. It is not. You know, those are somebody's children,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
We should have compassion for them. This war is an unnecessary war. We should settle it through negotiation, through diplomacy, through statecraft, and not through weapons.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
No, I mean, I don't think there's any way in the world that the Ukrainians can beat the Russians. I don't think there's any appetite in Europe. I think Europe is now, you know, having severe problems in Germany, Italy, France. You're seeing these riots. There's internal problems in those countries. There is no appetite in Europe.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
men to die in ukraine and the ukrainians do not have anybody left the ukrainians are using press gangs to uh to you know to fill the ranks of their armies men military age men are trying as hard as they can to get out of the ukraine right now to avoid going to the front the front you know the russians apparently have been killing ukrainians at a seven to one ratio
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
My son fought over there, and he told me, he had firefights with the Russians, mainly at night, but he said most of the battles were artillery wars during the day, and the Russians now outgun the NATO forces 10 to 1 in artillery. They're killing at a horrendous rate. Now, my interpretation of what's happened so far is that the
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Putin actually went in early on with a small force because he expected to meet somebody on the other end of a negotiating table that once he went in. And when that didn't happen... They did not have a large enough force to be able to mount an offensive. And so they've been building up that force up to now, and they now have that force.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And even against this small original force, the Ukrainians have been helpless. All of their offenses have died. They've now killed the head of the Ukrainian special forces, which was probably, arguably, by many accounts, the best elite military unit in all of Europe. The commandant, the commander of that special forces group,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
gave a speech about four months ago saying that 86% of his men are dead or wounded and cannot return to the front. He cannot rebuild that force. The troops that are now filling the gaps of all those 350,000 men who have been lost are scantily trained, and they're arriving green at the front. Many of them do not want to be there. Many of them are giving up and going over the Russian side.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
We've seen this again and again and again, including platoon-sized groups that are defecting to the Russians. And I don't think it's possible to win. And anybody... You know, I saw... Of course, I've studied World War II history exhaustively, but I saw a... There's a new, I think it's a Netflix series of documentaries that I highly recommend to people.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They're colorized versions of the black and white films from the battles of World War II, but it's all the battles of World War II. So I watched Stalingrad. And, you know, the willingness of the Russians to fight on against any kind of odds and to make huge sacrifices. The Russians themselves were making the sacrifice with their lives.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The willingness of them to do that for their motherland is almost inexhaustible. It is incomprehensible to think that Ukraine can beat Russia in a war. It would be like Mexico beating the United States. It's impossible to think that it can happen. And, you know, Russia has deployed weapons.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
a tiny, tiny fraction of its military so far, and now it has China with its mass production capacity supporting its war effort. It's a hopeless situation, and we've been lied to. The press in our country and our government are just promoting this lie that the Ukrainians are about to win and that everything's going great and that...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Putin's on the run, and there's all this wishful thinking because of the Wagner group, you know, the Rogozhin and the Wagner group, that this was an internal coup, and it showed dissent and weakness of Putin, and none of that is true. That insurgency, which wasn't even an insurgency, he only got 4,000 of his men to follow him out of 20,000.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And they were quickly stopped, and nobody in the Russian military, the oligarchy, the political system, nobody supported it. And we're being told, oh yeah, it's the beginning of the end for Putin. He's weakened, he's wounded, he's on his way out, and all of these things are just lies that we are being fed.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You know, I would agree with that and I should have I said that myself at the beginning. That's one of the reasons my son went over there to fight, because he was inspired by the valor of the Ukrainian people and this extraordinary willingness of them. And I think Putin thought it would be much easier to sweep into Ukraine, and he found a stone wall of Ukrainians ready to put their...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
their lives and their bodies on the line. But that, to me, makes the whole episode even more tragic, is that, you know, I don't believe, you know, I think that the U.S. role in this has been, you know, that there were many opportunities to settle this war, and the Ukrainians wanted to settle it. Vladimir Zelensky, when he ran in 2019, here's a guy who's a comedian now, He's an actor.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He had no political experience, and yet he won this election with 70% of the vote. Why? He won on a peace platform. And he won promising to sign the Minsk Accords. And yet something happened when he got in there that made him suddenly pivot. And, you know, I think it's a good guess what happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I think he was, you know, he came under threat by ultra-naturalist nationalists within his own administration. and the insistence of neocons like Victoria Nuland in the White House that, you know, we don't want peace with Putin. We want a war.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Yeah, I worry about it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Well, the reason it's not, you know, the reason it might, it's not, it's just because people seem to be in this kind of dream state about that it'll never happen. And yet, you know, we're... It can happen very easily, and it can happen at any time.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
If we push the Russians too far, I don't doubt that Putin, if he felt like his regime or his nation was in danger, that the United States was going to be able to place a quizzling into the Kremlin, that he would use nuclear torpedoes. And, you know, these strategic weapons that they have, and that could be the beginning. Once you do that, nobody controls the trajectory.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
By the way, you know, I have very strong memories of the Cuban Missile Crisis. And those 13 days when we came closer to nuclear war, you know, and particularly I think it was when the U-2 got shot down over Cuba had – and nobody in this – there's a lot of people in Washington, D.C. who at that point thought that they very well may wake up dead. that the world may end at night.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
30 million Americans killed 130 million Russians. This is what our military brass wanted. They saw a war with Russia, a nuclear exchange with Russia as not only inevitable, but also desirable because they wanted to do it now. We still had a superiority.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
What are some interesting kind of... I was going to school in Washington, D.C. to our Lady of Victory, which is in Washington, D.C. I lived in Virginia across the Potomac, and we would cross the bridge every day into D.C. During the crisis, U.S. Marshals came to my house To take us, I think, around day eight. My father was spending the night at the White House. He wasn't coming home.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He was staying with the ex-com committee and sleeping there, and they were up 24 hours a day. They were debating and trying to figure out what was happening. And But we had U.S. Marshals come to our house to take us down. They were going to take us down to White Sulphur Springs in southern Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains where there was a...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
there was an underground city, essentially, a bunker that was like a city, and apparently it had McDonald's in it and a lot of other, you know, it was a full city for the U.S. government and their families. U.S. marshals came to our house to take us down there, and I was very excited about doing that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And this was at a time, you know, when we were doing the drills, we were doing the duck and cover drills once a week at our school.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
where they would tell you when the alarms go off, then you put your head onto the table, you remove the sharps from your desk, put them inside your desk, you put your head onto the table, and you wait, and the initial blast will take the windows out of the school, and then we all stand up and
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
and file in an orderly fashion into the basement where we're going to be for the next six or eight months or whatever. But in the basement where, you know, we went occasionally in those corridors, we're lined with freeze-dried food canisters up to the ceiling from floor to ceiling. So people were, you know, we were all preparing for this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And it was, you know, Bob McNamara, who was a friend of mine and, you know, was my father, one of my father's closest friends as Secretary of Defense. He later called it mass psychosis. And my father deeply regretted participating in the bomb shelter program because he said it was part of a psychological psyop trick to teach Americans that nuclear war was acceptable, that it was survivable.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
My father, anyway, when the marshals came to our house to take me and my brother Joe away, and we were the ones who were home at that time, My father called and he talked to us on the phone and he said, I don't want you going down there because if you disappear from school, people are going to panic. And I need you to be a good soldier and go to school.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he said something to me during that period, which was that if the nuclear war happened, it would Okay, I mean, I had already prepared myself for the, you know, for the dystopian future, and I knew I could, I spent every day in the woods, I knew that I could survive by catching puppies and they'll do whatever I had to do. But I felt like, okay, I can handle this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I really wanted to see the setup down in, you know, this underground city. But anyway, that was, you know, part of it for me. My father was away and, you know, the last days of it My father got this idea because Khrushchev had sent two letters.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He sent one letter that was conciliatory, and then he sent a letter that after his Joint Chiefs and the warmongers around him saw that letter and they disapproved of it, they sent another letter that was extremely belligerent. And my father had the idea, let's just pretend we didn't get the second letter and reply to the first one. And then he went down to Dobrynin,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He met Dobrynin in the Justice Department, and Dobrynin was the Soviet ambassador, and they proposed this settlement, which was a secret settlement. Wow. where Khrushchev would withdraw the missiles from Cuba. Khrushchev had put the missiles in Cuba because we had put missiles, you know, nuclear missiles in Turkey and Italy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And my uncle's secret deal was that if Khrushchev removed the missiles from Cuba, within six months he would get rid of the Jupiter missiles in Turkey. But if Khrushchev told anybody about the deal, it was off. Mm-hmm. So if news got out about that secret deal, it was off. But that was the actual deal. And Khrushchev complied with it, and then my uncle complied with it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I think that's one of the, you know, because that, of course, is the perennial question, right? But it is history kind of on an automatic pilot and, you know, human decisions, decisions of leaders really only have, you know, a marginal or incremental bearing on what is going to happen anyway. But I think that is the—and historians argue about that all the time—
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I think that that is a really good example of a place in human history that literally the world could have ended if we had a different leader in the White House. And the reason for that is that there were, as I recall, 64 gun emplacements, missile emplacements. Each one of those missile emplacements had a crew of about 100 men, and they were Soviets.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Oh, they were, and we didn't know whether, we had a couple of questions that my uncle asked or asked the CIA, and he asked, Dulles was already gone, but he asked the CIA and he asked his military brass, because they all wanted to go in. Everybody wanted to go in. And my uncle said, my uncle asked to see the aerial photos, and he examined those personally.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that's why it's important to have a leader in the White House who can push back on their bureaucracies. And then he asked them, You know, who's manning those missile sites? And are they Russians? And if they're Russians and we bomb them, isn't it going to force Khrushchev to then go into Berlin?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that would be the beginning of a cascade of fact that would highly like to end a nuclear confrontation. And the military perhaps said to my uncle, oh, we don't think he'll have the guts to do that. So my uncle was like, that's what you're betting on? And they all wanted him to go in. They wanted him to bomb the sites and then invade Cuba.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he said, if we bomb those sites, we're going to be killing Russians. And it's going to force, it's going to provoke Russia into some response. And the obvious response is for them to go into Berlin. But the thing that we didn't know then, that we didn't find out until, I think, It was like a 30-year anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis in Havana.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And what we learned then was that from the Russians who came to that event, it was like a symposium where everybody on both sides talked about it. And we learned a lot of stuff that nobody knew before. One of the insane things, the most insane thing that we learned was that the weapons were already, the nuclear warheads were already in place. They were ready to fire.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that the authorization to fire was made, was delegated to each of the gun crew commanders. So there were 60 people who at all had authorization to fire if they felt themselves under attack. So you have to believe that at least one of them would have launched, and that would have been the beginning of the end. And if anybody had launched, we knew what would happen.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
My uncle knew what would happen, because he asked again and again, what's going to happen? And they said, 30 million Americans will be killed, but we will kill 130 million Russians, so we will win. And that was a victory for them.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And my uncle later said, he told Arthur Schlesinger and Kenny O'Donnell, he said, those guys, he called them the salad brass, the guys with all of this stuff on their chest. And he said, those guys, they don't care because they know that if it happens... that they're going to be in the charge of everything. They're the ones who are going to be running the world after that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So for them, there was an incentive to kill 130 million Russians and 30 million Americans by my uncle. He had this correspondence with Khrushchev. They were secretly corresponding with each other. And that is what saved the world, is that both of them had been men of war. Eisenhower famously said, it will not be a man of war
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
There will not be a soldier who starts World War III because a guy who's actually seen it knows how bad it is. And my uncle, you know, had been in the heat of the South Pacific. His boat had been cut in two by a Japanese destroyer. Three of his crewmen had been killed, one of them badly burned. He pulled that guy with a lanyard in his teeth.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
six miles to the island in the middle of the night and then they hit out there for ten days you know and uh... and you know he came back like i said he was the only uh... president united states that are in the purple heart uh... meanwhile khrushchev had been at stalingrad which was the worst place to be on the planet you know probably in the twentieth century others and you know and al schwitzer one of the death camps
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
It was the most ferocious, horrific war with people starving. People committed cannibalism, eating the dogs, the cats, eating their shoe leather, freezing to death by the thousands, etc. Khrushchev did not want... The last thing he wanted was a war. And the last thing my uncle wanted was a war. But the CIA did not know anything about Khrushchev. And the reason for that is...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
There was a mole at Langley. So that every time the CIA got a spy in the Kremlin, he would immediately be killed. So they had no eyes in the Kremlin. You know, there were literally hundreds of Russian spies who had defected to the United States and were in the Kremlin who were killed during that period.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They had no idea anything about Khrushchev, about how he saw the world, and they saw the Kremlin itself as a monolith, you know, that it's... It's kind of the same way that we look at Putin today. They have this ambition of world conquest, and it's driving them, and there's nothing else they think about. They're absolutely single-minded about it. But actually, there was a big division going on.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
between Khrushchev and his joint chiefs and his intelligence apparatus, and they both at one point discovered they were both in the same situation. They were surrounded by spies and military personnel who were intent on going to war, and they were the two guys resisting it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So when my uncle, my uncle had this idea of, you know, being the peace president from the beginning, he told Ben Bradley, one of his best friends, who, you know, was the publisher of the Washington Post, or the editor-in-chief at that time, he said... Ben Bradley asked him, what do you want on your gravestone? And my uncle said, he kept the peace.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He said, the principal job of a president of the United States is to keep the country out of war. And so when he first became president, he... anxiously agreed to meet Khrushchev in Geneva to do a summit. And by the way, Eisenhower had wanted to do the same thing. Eisenhower wanted peace, and he was going to meet in Vienna. But that peace summit was blown up.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He was going to try to end the Cold War. Eisenhower was in the last year of his—in May of 1960. But that was torpedoed by the CIA during the U-2 crash. You know, they sent a U-2 over the Soviet Union. It got shot down, and then they told—and then Alan Dulles told Eisenhower to deny that we had a program. They didn't know that the Russians had captured Gary Francis Powers.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that blew up the peace talks between Eisenhower and Khrushchev. And so, you know, there was a lot of tension. My uncle wanted to break that tension. He agreed to meet with... with Khrushchev in Vienna early on in his term, he went over there and Khrushchev snubbed him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Khrushchev, uh, lectured him imperiously about the, you know, the, the terror of American imperialism and, and rebuffed any, you know, they did agree not to go into Laos. They made an agreement that kept the United States, kept my uncle from sending troops to Laos. But, um, It had been a disaster, Vienna.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So then we had a spy that used to come to our house all the time, a guy called Georgi Bolshagoi. He was this Russian spy my parents had met at the embassy. They had gone to a party or a reception at the Russian embassy, and he had approached them, and they knew he was a GRU agent and KGB. He was both Russian. Oh, he used to come to our house. They really liked him. He was very attractive.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He was always laughing and joking. He would do rope climbing contests with my father. He would do push-up contests with my father. He could do the Russian dancing, the Cossack dancing. And he would do that for us and teach us that. And we knew he was a spy, too. And this was at the time of, you know, the James Bond films were first coming out.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So it was really exciting for us to have an actual Russian spy in our house. The State Department was horrified by it. But anyway, when Khrushchev, after Vienna and after the pigs, Khrushchev had second thoughts. And he sent this long letter to my uncle. And he didn't want to go through his state department or his embassy. He wanted to en-run them. And he was friends with Bolshevik.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So he gave Georgie the letter. And Georgie brought it and handed it to Pierre Salinger, folded it in the New York Times. And he gave it to my uncle. And it was this beautiful letter in which he said, you know... My uncle had talked to him about the children who were played. You know, we played 29 grandchildren who were playing in his yard.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he's saying, what is our moral basis for making a decision that could kill these children so they'll never write a poem, they'll never participate in an election, they'll never run for office? How can we morally make a decision that is going to eliminate life for these beautiful kids? And he had said that to
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And Khrushchev wrote them this letter back saying that he was now sitting as this dacha on the Black Sea and that he was thinking about what my Uncle Jack had said to him at Vienna and he regretted very deeply not having taken the olive leaf that Jack had offered him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And then he said, you know, it occurs to me now that we're all on an arc and that there is not another one and that the entire fate of the planet And all of its creatures and all of the children are dependent on the decisions we make. And you and I have a moral obligation to go forward with each other as friends.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And immediately after that, this was, you know, he said that right after the Berlin crisis in 1962, General Curtis LeMay tried to, had tried to provoke a war with an incident at Checkpoint Charlie, which was the entrance and exit through the Berlin Wall in Berlin. And the Russian tanks had come to the wall, the U.S. tanks had come to the wall, and there was a standoff.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And my uncle had sent a message to Khrushchev then through Dobrynin saying, my back is at the wall. I cannot, I have no place to back, to please back off. And then we will back off. And Khrushchev took his word.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
act his tanks off first and then my uncle ordered lemay to back back he had lemay had mounted bulldozer plows on the on the front of the tanks to plow down the berlin wall and that and the russians had come so it was just you know it was the right it was his generals trying to provoke a war and um But they started talking to each other.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And then after he wrote that letter, they agreed that they would install a hotline so they could talk to each other and they wouldn't have to go through intermediaries. And so at Jack's house on the Cape, there was a red phone that we knew if we picked it up, Khrushchev would answer. And there was another one in the White House.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But they knew it was important to talk to each other. And you just wish that we had that kind of leadership today that just understands our job. Look, I know you know a lot about AI, right? And you know how dangerous it is potentially to humanity and what opportunities it also offers. But It could kill us all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I mean, Elon said, first it's going to steal our job, then it's going to kill us, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And it's probably not hyperbole. Actually, you know, if it follows the laws of biological evolution, which are just the laws of mathematics, that's probably a good endpoint for it, you know, a potential endpoint. So we need—it's going to happen, but we need to make sure it's regulated, and it's regulated properly for safety. In every country. And that includes Russia and China and Iran.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Right now, we should be putting all the weapons of war aside and sitting down with those guys and say, how are we going to do this? There's much more important things to do. This stuff is going to kill us if we don't figure out how to regulate it. And leadership needs to look down the road at what is the real risk here.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the real risk is that AI will enslave us, for one thing, and then destroy us and do all this other stuff. And how about biological weapons? We're now all working on these biological weapons, and we're doing biological weapons from Ebola and dengue fever and...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
all of these other bad things, and we're making ethnic bioweapons, bioweapons that can only kill Russians, bioweapons that the Chinese are making that can kill people who don't have Chinese genes. So all of this is now within reach. We're actively doing it, and we need to stop it. A biological weapons treaty is the easiest thing in the world to do.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
We can verify it, we can enforce it, and everybody wants to agree to it. Only insane people do not want to continue this kind of research. There's no reason to do it. So there are these existential threats to all of humanity now out there, like AI and biological weapons. We need to stop fighting each other, start competing on economic game fields,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
playing fields instead of military playing fields, which will be good for all of humanity. And that we need to sit down with each other and negotiate reasonable treaties on how we regulate AI and biological weapons. And nobody's talking about this in this political race right now. Nobody's talking about it in a government.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They get fixated on these little wars and these comic book depictions of good versus evil, and we all go, you know, and go off and give them the weapons and enrich the military and constitutional complex, but we're on the road to perdition if we don't end this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And, you know, I don't think – listen, I don't understand AI, okay? I do know – I can see from all this technology how it's this kind of turnkey totalitarianism that once you put these systems in place, you know, they can be misused to enslave people. And they can be misused in wars and, you know, to subjugate, to kill, to do all of these bad things. And I don't think there's anybody –
Lex Fridman Podcast
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who understands this. You know, we need to bring in the tech community and say, tell us what these regulations need to look like, you know, so that there can be freedom to innovate, so that we can milk AI for all of the good things, but not, you know, fall into these traps that are going to, you know, that are these existential threats to, that pose existential threats to humanity.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The evidence that the CIA was involved in my uncle's murder and that they were subsequently involved in the cover-up and continue to be involved in the cover-up. I mean, there's still 5,000 documents that they won't release 60 years later is, I think, so insurmountable and so mountainous and overwhelming that it's beyond any reasonable doubt that
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
including dozens of confessions of people who were involved in the assassination, but every kind of document. It came as a surprise recently to most Americans, I think, the release of these documents in which the press, the American media, finally acknowledged that, yes, Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset. He was recruited, you know, in 19...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
57, he was a Marine working at the Atasui Air Force Base, which was the CIA Air Force Base, with the U-2 flights, which was a CIA program. He was recruited by James Jesus Angleton, who was the director of counterintelligence, and then sent on a fake defection to Russia, and then brought back to Dallas, and people didn't know that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Even though it's been known for decades, it never percolated into the mainstream media because they have such an allergy to anything that challenges the Warren Report. When Congress investigated my uncle's murder,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
In the 1970s, the church committee did, and they did a two-and-a-half-year investigation, and they had many, many more documents and much more testimony available to them than the Warren Commission had. And this was a decade after the Warren Commission. They came to the conclusion that my uncle was killed by a conspiracy. And there was a division where essentially one guy on that committee
Lex Fridman Podcast
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believed it was primarily the mafia. But Richard Schweitzer, the senator who headed the committee, said, you know, straight out, the CIA was involved in the murder of the President of the United States. Oh, and I've talked to most of the staff on that committee, and they said, yeah, and the CIA was stonewalling us the whole way through.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the actual people that the CIA appointed, George Johannes, who the CIA appointed as a liaison to the committee, they brought him out of retirement. He had been one of the masterminds of the assassination. I mean, it's impossible to even talk about a tiny fraction of the evidence here. What I suggest to people, there are hundreds of books written about this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
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that assemble this evidence and mobilize the evidence. The best book to me for people to read is James Douglas's book, which is called The Unspeakable. And Douglas is an extraordinary scholar, and he does this
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
just an amazing job of digesting and summarizing and mobilizing all of the, you know, probably a million documents and, you know, the evidence from all these confessions that have come out into a coherent story. And it's riveting to read. And, you know, I recommend people who do not take my word for it, you know, and don't take anybody else's word for it. Go ahead and do the research yourself.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And one way to do that is probably the most efficient way is to read Douglas's book because he has all the references there.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
No, it's not the entire institution. My daughter-in-law... who's helping to run my campaign, was a CIA, you know, in the clandestine services for all of her career. She was a spy in the weapons of mass destruction program in the Mideast and in China. And there's 22,000 people who work for the CIA.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Probably 20,000 of those are, you know, are patriotic Americans and really good public servants, and they're doing important work for our country. But the institution is corrupt because the higher ranks of the institution. And in fact, Mike Pompeo said something like this to me the other day. He was the director of the CIA.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He said, when I was there, I did not do a good job of cleaning up that agency. And he said, the entire upper bureaucracy of that agency are people who do not believe in the institutions of democracy. This is what he said to me. So I don't know if that's true, but I know that, you know, that's significant. He's a smart person and he ran the agency and he was the Secretary of State.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But it's no mystery how that happened. We know the history. The CIA was originally, first of all, there was great reluctance in 1947 that we had, for the first time, we had a secret spy agency in this country during World War II called the OSS. That was disbanded after the war because Congress said having a secret spy agency is incompatible with a democracy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Secret spy agencies are things like the KGB, Stasi in East Germany, SAVAK in Iran, and PEEP in Chile, whatever, all over the world. They all have to do with totalitarian governments. They're not something that you can have. It's antithetical to democracy to have that. But in 1947, we created it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Truman signed it in, but it was initially an espionage agency, which means information gathering, which is important. It's to gather and consolidate information from many, many different sources from all over the world and then put those in reports so the White House, so the president can make good decisions based upon valid information, evidence-based decision-making.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But Alan Dulles, who was essentially the first head of the agency, made a series of legislative machinations and political machinations that gave additional powers to the agency and opened up what they called then the Plans Division, which is the Plans Division is the dirty tricks, it's the black ops, fixing elections, etc.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
murdering what they call executive action, which means killing foreign leaders and, you know, making small wars and bribing and blackmailing people, stealing elections and that kind of thing. And the reason at that time, you know, we were in the middle of the Cold War and Truman and then Eisenhower did not want to go to war. They didn't want to commit troops.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And it seemed to them that, you know, this was a way of kind of fighting the Cold War secretly without and doing it at minimal cost by changing events sort of invisibly. And so it was seductive to them. But everybody, you know, Congress, when they first voted it in place, Congress, both political parties said,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
If we create this thing, it could turn into a monster and it could undermine our values. And today, it's so powerful and nobody knows what its budget is. Plus, it has its own investment fund. In-Q-Tel, which has invested, you know, made, I think, 2,000 investments in Silicon Valley.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Oh, it has ownership of a lot of these tech companies that, you know, and a lot of the CEOs of those tech companies have signed state secrecy agreements with the CIA, which if they even reveal that they have signed that, they can go to jail for 20 years and have their assets removed, etc.,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The influence that the agency has, the capacity to influence events at every level in our country is really frightening. And then for most of its life, the CIA was banned from propagandizing Americans. But we learned that they were doing it anyway. So in 1973, during the church committee hearings, we learned that the CIA had a program called Operation Mockingbird.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
where they had at least 400 members, leading members of the United States Press Corps, the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., who were secretly working for the agency and steering news coverage to support CIA priorities. And they agreed at that time to disband Operation Mockingbird in 1973 But there's indications they didn't do that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And they still, the CIA today is the biggest funder of journalism around the world. The biggest funder is through USAID. The USA, the United States funds journalism in almost every country in the world. It owns newspapers. It has thousands and thousands of journalists on its payroll. They're not supposed to be doing that in the United States.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But in 2016, President Obama changed the law to make it legal now for the CIA to propagandize Americans. And I think we can't look at the... how the narrative has been formed in the minds of Americans and say that the CIA had nothing to do with that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Through the press.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Directly through... I mean, there are certain press organs that have been linked, you know, to the agency that the people who run those organs, things like the Daily Beast, now Rolling Stone, you know, editor of Rolling Stone, Noah Schlackman, has deep relationships with the intelligence community, Salon, Daily Kos.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I agree with you. But I actually think that the entire field of journalism has... because it's become, you know, the principal newspapers in this country and the television station, the legacy media have abandoned their traditional, their tradition of, you know, which was when I was a kid, listen, my house was filled with the greatest journalists alive at that time.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
People like Ben Bradley, like Anthony Lewis, Mary McGrory, Pete Hamill, Jerry, Jack Newfield, Jimmy Breslin, uh and many many others and after my father after my father died they started the rfk journalism awards to recognize integrity and courage you know journalistic integrity and courage and for that generation of journalism they they thought they believed that the that
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
the function of a journalist was to maintain this posture of fear, skepticism toward any aggregation of power, including government authority. You always, that people in authority lie, and they always have to be questioned. And that their job was to speak truth to power and to be guardians of the First Amendment right to free expression.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But if you look what happened during the pandemic, it was the inverse of that kind of journalism, where The major press organs in this country were, instead of speaking truth to power, they were doing the opposite. They were broadcasting propaganda.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They became propaganda organs for the government agencies, and they were actually censoring the speech of anybody who dissents of the powerless people. And in fact, it was an organized conspiracy. And the name of it was the Trusted News Initiative. And some of the major press organs in our country signed on to it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And they agreed not to print stories or facts that departed from government orthodoxy. So the Washington Post was the signature of the UPI newspaper. the AP and then the four media or the four social media groups, Microsoft, Twitter. Facebook and Google all signed on to the Trusted News Initiative.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
It was started by the BBC, organized by them, and the purpose of it was to make sure nobody could print anything about government that departed from governmental orthodoxy. The way it worked is the UPI, the AP, which are the news services that provide most of the news around the country, and the Washington Post would decide what news was permissible to print and
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And a lot of it was about COVID, but also Hunter Biden's laptops. It was impermissible to suggest that those were real or that they had stuff on there that was compromising. And by the way, what I'm telling you is all well-documented, and I'm litigating on it right now, so I'm part of a lawsuit against the DNI. And so I know a lot about what happened, and I have all this documented.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And people can go to our website. There's a letter on my Substack now to Michael Scher of the Washington Post that outlines all this and gives all my sources. Because Michael Scher accused me of being a conspiracy theorist when he was actually part of a conspiracy, a true conspiracy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
to suppress anybody who is departing from government orthodoxies by either censoring them completely or labeling them conspiracy theorists.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I would say, well, there's so many things that I love about the country. You know, the landscapes and the waterways and the people, et cetera, but on the kind of a... You know, the higher level, you know, people argue about whether we're an exemplary nation. And that term has been given a bad name, particularly by the neocons, the actions of the neocons in recent decades who...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
If you read their internal memorandum, including the statements of the leader of the Trusted News Initiative, I think her name's Jennifer Cecil, And you can go on our website and see her statement, and she says the purpose of this is that we're now – she says when people look at us, they think we're competitors, but we're not.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The real competitors are coming from all these alternative news sources now all over the network, and they're – hurting public trust in us, and they're hurting our economic model. And they have to be choked off and crushed. And the way that we're going to do that is to
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
make an agreement with the social media sites that if we label their information misinformation, the social media sites will deplatform it, or they will throttle it, or they will shadow ban it, which destroys the economic model of those alternative competitive sources of information. So that's true. But the point you make is an important point,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
that the journalists themselves, who probably didn't know about the TNI agreement, certainly I'm sure they didn't, they believe that they're doing the right thing by suppressing information that may challenge government proclamations on COVID. But, I mean, there's a danger to that, and the danger is that once you appoint yourself an arbiter of what's true and what's not true,
Lex Fridman Podcast
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you have now assumed for yourself because now your job is no longer to inform the public. Your job now is to manipulate the public. And if you end up manipulating the public in collusion with powerful entities, then you become the instrument of authoritarian rule rather than the, you know, journalism in a democracy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I would say protection of the environment and the commons, the air, the water, wildlife, fisheries, public lands. Those assets, they cannot be reduced to private property ownership. The landscapes, our Purple Mountain Majesty.
Lex Fridman Podcast
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the protection of the most vulnerable people in our society, people who, which would include children and minorities, the restoration of the middle class, you know, and protection of labor, dignity, and, you know, decent pay for labor, bodily autonomy, a woman's right to choose or an individual's right to endure unwanted medical procedures. Peace.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You know, the Democrats have always been anti-war. The refusal to use fear as a governing tool. FDR said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself because he recognized that tyrants and dictators could use fear to disable critical thinking and overwhelm the desire for personal liberty. The freedom of government from untoward influence by corrupt corporate power.
Lex Fridman Podcast
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The end of this corrupt merger of state and corporate power that is now, I think, dominating our democracy. That's what Eisenhower warned about. against the emergence of the military industrial complex.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And then I prefer to talk about kind of the positive vision of what we should be doing in our country and globally, which is, you know, I see that the corporations are commoditizing us, are poisoning our children, are, um, strip mining the wealth from our middle class. And, um,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
have turned that phrase into kind of a justification for forcing people to adopt American systems or values at the barrel of a gun. But my father and uncle used it in a very different way, and they were very proud of it. I grew up very proud of this country because we were the exemplary nation in the sense that we were an example of democracy all over the world.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
America as if it were a business in liquidation, converting assets to cash as quickly as possible, and creating or exacerbating this huge disparity in wealth in our country, which is eliminating the middle class and creating kind of a Latin American-style feudal model. There's these huge aggregations of wealth above and widespread poverty below the
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that's a configuration that is too unstable to support democracy sustainably. And we're supposed to be modeling democracy, but we're losing it.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
and I think we ought to have a foreign policy that restores our moral authority around the world, restores America as the embodiment of moral authority, which it was when my uncle was president, and as a purveyor of peace rather than a war-like nation. My uncle said he didn't want people in Africa and Latin America and Asia to think of
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
when they think of America, to picture a man with a gun and a bayonet. He wanted them to think of a Peace Corps volunteer. and he refused to send combat soldiers abroad. He never sent a single soldier to his death abroad into combat. He sent 16,000. He resisted in Berlin in 62. He resisted in Laos in 61. He resisted in In Vietnam, they wanted him to put 250,000 troops.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He only put 16,000 advisors, which was fewer troops. And he sent to get James Meredith into the universe, to Ole Miss in Oxford, Mississippi, one black man. He sent 16,000. And a month before he died, he ordered them all home. Actually, I think it was October 2nd of 1963, he heard that a Green Beret had died. And he asked his aide for a list of combat fatalities.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the aide came back, and there was 75 men had died in Vietnam at that point. And he said, that's too many. We're going to have no more. And he ordered. He signed a national security order, 263. and ordered all of those men, all Americans, home from Vietnam by 1965, with the first 1,000 coming home by December 1963.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And then in November, he, of course, just before that evacuation began, he was killed. And a week later, President Johnson remanded that order, and then a year after that, the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, we sent 250,000, which is what they wanted my uncle to do, which he refused. And it became an American war. And then Nixon topped it off at 560,000.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
56,000 Americans never came home, including my cousin, George Skakel, who died at the Tet Offensive. And we killed a million Vietnamese, and we got nothing for it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Today, my uncle really focused on putting America on the side of the poor instead of our tradition of fortifying oligarchies that were anti-communism. That was our major criteria. If you said you were against communism, of course the people were. We're the rich people. Our aid was going to the rich people in those countries, and they were going to the military to hunt us.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Our weapons were going to hunt us to fight against the poor. And my uncle said, no, you know, America should be on the side of the poor. And so he launched the Alliance for Progress. And the USAID, which were intended to bring aid to the poorest people in those and build middle classes and take ourselves away.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
When we first launched our democracy in 1780, we were the only democracy on earth. And by the Civil War, by 1865, there were six democracies. Today, there's probably 190. And all of them, in one way or another, are modeled on the American experience. And it's kind of extraordinary because sort of our first contact with – our first serious and sustained contact –
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
In fact, his most, his favorite trip, his two favorite trips while he was president, his most favorite trip was to Ireland. this incredible emotional homecoming for all of the people of Ireland. But his second favorite trip was when he went to Colombia. He went to Latin America, but Colombia was his favorite country.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I think there were two million people came into Bogota to see him, this vast crowd, and they were just delirious, cheering for him. And the president of Colombia, Jerez Carmargo, said to him, do you know why they love you? And my uncle said, why? And he said, because they think you've put America on the side of the poor against the oligarchs. And, you know, when my uncle, after he died today,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
There are more avenues and boulevards and hospitals and schools and statues named after and commemorating in parks, commemorating John Kennedy in Africa and Latin America than any other president in the United States, and probably more than all the other presidents combined. And it's because he put America on the side of the poor, and that's what we ought to be doing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
We ought to be projecting economic power abroad The Chinese have essentially stolen his playbook. And we've spent $8 trillion on the Iraq war and its aftermath, the wars in Syria, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan. And what do we get for that? We got nothing for that money, $8 trillion. We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Iraq today is much worse off than it was when Saddam was there, I'd say. It's an incoherent, violent war between Shia and Sunni death squads. We pushed Iraq into the embrace of Iran. It's now become essentially a proxy for Iran, which is exactly the outcome that we were trying to prevent for the past 20 or 30 years. We created ISIS. We sent 2 million refugees into Europe.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
destabilizing all of the nations in Europe for generations. And we're now seeing these riots in France, and that's a direct result from the Syrian war that we created and our creation of ISIS. Brexit is another result of that. So for $8 trillion, we wrecked the world. And during that same period that we spent $8.1 trillion, bombing bridges, ports, schools, hospitals.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The Chinese spent $8.1 trillion building schools, ports, hospitals, bridges, and universities. And now the Chinese are out-competing us everywhere in the world. Everybody wants to deal with the Chinese because they come in, they build nice things for you, and there's no strings attached, and they're pleasant to deal with. And as a result of that, Brazil is switching to the Chinese currency.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Argentina is switching. Saudi Arabia, our greatest partner, we put trillions of dollars into protecting our oil pipelines there, and now they're saying, we don't care what the United States thinks. That's what Mohammed bin Salim said. He said, we don't... He dropped... oil production in Saudi Arabia in the middle of a US inflation spiral.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They've never done that to us before, to aggravate the inflation spiral. And two weeks later, and then they signed a deal, a unilateral peace deal with Iran, which has been the enemy that we've been telling them to be a bulwark against for 20 years. And two weeks after that, he said, we don't care what the United States thinks anymore.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So that's what we got for spending all those trillions of dollars there. We got short-term friends. And the United States, you know, policy abroad, and we have not made ourselves safer. We've made Americans, we've put Americans in more jeopardy all over the world. You know, you have to wait in lines to get through the airport.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You have to, you know, the security state is now costing us $1.3 trillion. And America is unsafer and poorer than it's ever been. So, you know, we're not getting, we should be doing what President Kennedy said we ought to do and what China, the policy that China has now adopted.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
With the European culture and continent was in 1608 when John Winthrop came over with his Puritans in the Sloop Arbella and Winthrop gave this famous speech where he said, this is going to be a city on a hill. This is going to be an example for Europe. all the other nations in the world. And he warned his fellow Puritans. They were sitting at this great expanse of land.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Well, you know, Jordan's trying to get me to badmouth the left the whole time I was in. I really enjoyed my talk with him. But he seemed to have that agenda where he wanted me to say bad things about the left. And I just don't, you know, that's not what my campaign is about. I want to do the opposite. I'm not going to badmouth the left.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I was on a show this week with David Remnick from The New Yorker, and he tried to get me to badmouth Donald Trump and Alex Jones and a lot of other people, and baiting me to do it. And of course, there's a lot of bad things I could say about all those people, but I'm trying to find values that hold us together.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
we can share in common rather than to focus constantly on these disputes and these issues that drive us apart. So me sitting here bad-mouthing the left or bad-mouthing the right is not going to advance the ball. I really want to figure out ways that, you know, what do these groups hold in common that we can all, you know, have a shared vision of what we want this country to look like.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You know, I don't want to sit here and speak uncharitably by saying the guy... didn't do anything, but I can't think of anything. I mean, if you tell me something that you think he did, maybe there was a drug that got licensed while he was at NIH that benefited people, that's certainly possible. He was there for 50 years. In terms of his principal programs of the
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
AIDS programs and his COVID programs. And I think that the harm that he did vastly outweighed the benefits.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I don't know what he believes. In fact, in that book, which is, I think, 250,000 words, I never try to look inside of his head. I deal with facts. I deal with science. And every factual assertion in that book is... cited in source to government databases or peer-reviewed publications. And I try not to speculate about things that I don't know about or I can't prove.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I cannot tell you what his motivations were. I mean, all of us, he's done a lot of things that I think are really very, very bad things for humanity and very deceptive. But we all have this capacity for self-deception. As I said at the beginning of this podcast, we judge ourselves on our intentions rather than our actions, and we all do.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
have an almost infinite capacity to convince ourselves that what we're doing is right. Not everybody kind of lives an examined life, that the world might experience their professions of goodness.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
No, I think he was a genuinely bad human being. and that there were many, many good people in that department over the years. Bernice Eddy is a really good example. John Anthony Morris, many people whose careers he destroyed because they were trying to tell the truth. One after the other, the greatest scientists in the history of NIH were run out of that agency.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But, you know, people listening to this, you know, probably, you know, in hearing me say that will think that I'm bitter or that I'm doctrinaire about him. But, you know, you should really go and read my book. And it's hard to summarize a, you know, I tried to be really methodical and not call names, to just say what happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He said, we can't be seduced by the lure of real estate or by the carnal opportunities of this land. We have to take this country as a gift from God and then turn it into an example for the rest of the world of God's love, of God's will and wisdom. And then, you know, 200 years later, 250 years later, They are a different generation. They're mainly deists.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Well, the problem could be fixed through regulation, you know, the problems, but the pharmaceutical industry is, is I mean, I don't want to say, because this is going to seem extreme, that a criminal enterprise, but if you look at the history, that is an applicable characterization.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
For example, the four biggest vaccine makers, Sanofi, Merck, Pfizer, and Glaxo, four companies that make all of the 72 vaccines that are now effectively mandated for American children. Collectively, those companies have paid $35 billion in criminal penalties and damages in the last decade. And I think since 2000, about $79 billion. So these are the most corrupt companies in the world.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the problem is that they're serial felons. They do this again and again and again. So They did Vioxx, you know, Merck did Vioxx, which Vioxx, you know, they killed people by falsifying science. And they did it. They lied to the public. They said this is a headache medicine and an arthritis painkiller. But they didn't tell people that it also gave you heart attacks.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And they knew, you know, we found when we sued them, You know, the memos from their bean counters saying we're going to kill this many people, but we're still going to make money. So they make those calculations, and those calculations are made very, very regularly. And then, you know, when they get caught, they pay a penalty. And I think they paid about $7 billion for Vioxx.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But then they went right back that same year that they paid that penalty. They went back and did the same thing again with Gardasil and with a whole lot of other drugs. So the way that this system is set up, the way that it's sold to doctors, the way that nobody ever goes to jail. So there's really no penalty that it all becomes part of the cost of doing business.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And, you know, you can see other businesses that if they're not, if they don't, if there's no penalty, if there's no real, I mean, look, these are the companies that gave us the opioid epidemic, right? So They knew what was going to happen. And you go and see, there's a documentary, I forget what the name of it is, but it shows exactly what happened. And they corrupted FDA.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They knew that oxycodone was addictive. They got FDA to tell doctors that it wasn't addictive. They pressured FDA to lie, and they got their way. And so far, they led this year. They got a whole generation addicted to oxycodone, and now when they got caught, we made it harder to get oxycodone, and now all those addicted kids are going to fentanyl and dying. And this year, it killed 106,000 kids.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
That's twice as many people who were killed during the 20-year Vietnam War, but in one year, twice as many American kids. And they knew it was going to happen. And they did it to make money. So I don't know what you call that other than saying that's a criminal enterprise.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Of course it is. How? Through a solid regulatory regimen where drugs are actually tested. I mean, the problem is... Not the capitalist system. The capitalist system, I have great admiration for the thing that love the capitalist system. It's the greatest economic engine ever devised. But it has to be harnessed to a social purpose.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Otherwise, it leads us down the trail of oligarchy, environmental destruction, and commoditizing capitalism. You need a regulatory structure that is not corrupted by entanglements, financial entanglements with the industry. And we've set this up the way that the system is set up today, has created this system of regulatory capture on steroids.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So almost 50% of FDA's budget comes from pharmaceutical companies. The people who work at FDA, their money is coming, their salaries are coming from pharma, half their salaries. They know who their bosses are, and that means getting those drugs done, getting them out the door and approved as quickly as possible. It's called fast-track approval, and they pay 50% of FDA's budget.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
About 45% actually goes to fast-track approval.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Oh, yeah, of course it can. That's not something that is controversial, of course. It will...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I'm talking about population-wide. I'm not talking about the individual.
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#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They're people who had a belief in God, but not so much a love of particularly religious cosmologies. You know, the Ephraimers, the Constitution... believe that we were creating something that would be replicated around the world and that it was an example. In democracy, there would be this kind of wisdom from the collective. And the word wisdom means a knowledge of God's will.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I think probably that's why they go in there. But scientists are corruptible. And the way that I can tell you that is that I've brought over 500 lawsuits, and almost all of them involve scientific controversies. And there are scientists on both sides in every one. When we sued Monsanto, on the Monsanto side, there was a Yale scientist, a Stanford scientist, and a Harvard scientist.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And on our side, there was a Yale, Stanford, and Harvard scientist, and they were saying exactly the opposite things. In fact, there's a word for those kind of scientists who take money for their opinion, and the word is biostitutes. And they are very, very common. And I've been dealing with them my whole career.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I think it was Upton Sinclair who said that it's very difficult to persuade a man of a fact if the existence of that fact will diminish his salary. And I think that's true for all of us. We find a way of reconciling ourselves to truths and worldviews actually benefit our salaries.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Now, NIH has probably the worst system, which is that scientists who work for NIH, NIH itself, which used to be the premier gold standard scientific agency in the world, everybody looked at NIH and said, today it's just an incubator for pharmaceutical drugs. And the That is that gravity of economic self-interest.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Because if NIH itself collects royalties, they have margin rights for the patents on all the drugs that they work on. So with the Moderna vaccine, which they promoted incessantly and aggressively— NIH on 50% of that vaccine is making billions and billions of dollars on it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And there are at least four scientists that we know of, and probably at least six at NIH who themselves have margin rights for those patents. So if you are a scientist who work at NIH, you work on a new drug, You then get margin rights and you're entitled to royalties of $150,000 a year forever from that, forever.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Your children, your children's children, as long as that product's on the market, you can collect royalties. So you have, you know, Moderna vaccine is paying for the top people at NIH, you know, some of the top regulators. It's paying for their boats. It's paying for their mortgages. It's paying for their children's education.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And, you know, you have to expect that in those kind of situations, the regulatory function would be subsumed beneath the mercantile ambitions of the agency itself and the individuals who stand to profit enormously from getting a drug to market. Those guys are paid by us, the taxpayer, to find problems with those drugs before they get to market.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But if you know that drug is going to pay for your mortgage, you may overlook a little problem, or even a very big one. And that's the problem.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably averting more problems than they're causing. There's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Yeah, here's the problem. The polio vaccine contained a virus called semivirus 40, SV40. It's one of the most carcinogenic materials that is known to man. In fact, it's used now by scientists around the world to induce tumors in rats and guinea pigs in labs. But it was in that vaccine, 98 million people who got that vaccine in my generation got it. And now you've had this explosion.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
of soft tissue cancers in our generation that kill many, many, many, many, many more people than polio ever did. So if you say to me, did the polio vaccine was effective against polio, I'm going to say yes. If you say to me, did it kill more people, did it cause more deaths than ever? I would say, I don't know, because we don't have the data on that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Oh, well, a lot of them are. Let me give you an example. The most popular vaccine in the world is the DTP vaccine, diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis. It was introduced in this country around 1980. That vaccine caused so many injuries.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
that Wyeth, which was the manufacturer, said to the Reagan administration, we are now paying $20 in downstream liabilities for every dollar that we're making in profits, and we are getting out of the business unless you give us permanent immunity from liability. So the vaccine companies then were given, and by the way, Reagan said at that time, why don't you just make the vaccine safe?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that somehow God would speak through the collective in a way that... that he or she could not speak through totalitarian regimes. And I think that that's something that even though Winthrop was a white man and a Protestant, that every immigrant group who came after them kind of adopted that belief.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And why is that? Because vaccines are inherently unsafe. They said unavoidably unsafe. You cannot make them safe. And so when Reagan wrote the bill and passed it, the bill says in its preambles, because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. And the Brucewitz case, which was a Supreme Court case that upheld that bill, uses that same language. Vaccines cannot be made safe. They're unavoidably unsafe.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So this is what the law says. Now, I just want to finish this story because this illustrates very well your question. The DDP vaccine was discontinued in this country and it was discontinued in Europe because so many kids were being injured by it. However, the WHO and Bill Gates gives it to 161 million African children every year. And Bill Gates went to the Danish government.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
and asked them to support this program saying, we've saved 30 million kids from dying from diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis. The Danish government said, can you show us the data? And he couldn't. So the Danish government paid for a big study with Novo Nordisk, which is a Scandinavian vaccine company in West Africa.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And they went to West Africa and they looked at the DPV vaccine for 30 years of data. And they hired, they retained the best vaccine scientists in the world, these kind of deities of African vaccine program, Peter AAB, Sigrid Morgensen, and a bunch of others. And they looked at 30 years of data for the DTP vaccine, and they came back, and they were shocked by what they found.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They found that the vaccine was perfect. preventing kids from getting diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis. But the girls who got that vaccine were 10 times more likely to die over the next six months than children who didn't. Why is that? And they weren't dying from anything anybody ever associated with the vaccine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They were dying of anemia, bilharzia, malaria, sepsis, and mainly pulmonary and respiratory disease, pneumonia. And it turns out this is what the researchers found, who were all pro-vaccine, by the way. They said that this vaccine is killing more children and diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis prior to the introduction of the vaccine. And for 30 years, nobody ever noticed it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The vaccine was providing protection against those target illnesses, but it had ruined the children's immune systems, and they could not defend themselves against random infections that were harmless to most children.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You can't prove the link. All you can do is, for any particular interest, you can't. illness or death, you can't prove the link. But you can show statistically that if you get that vaccine, you're more likely to die over the next six months than if you don't. And those studies, unfortunately, are not done for any other vaccines.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So for every other medicine, in order to get approval from the FDA, you have to do a placebo-controlled trial prior to licensor, where you look at health outcomes among an exposed group, a group that gets it And compare those to a similarly situated group that gets a placebo.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
The only medical intervention that does not receive, that does not undergo placebo-controlled trials prior to lysis are vaccines. Not one of the 72 vaccines that are now mandated for our children have ever undergone a placebo-controlled trial prior to licensure.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Here's the thing, is that I was saying that for many years because we couldn't find any. And then in 2016 in March, I met President Trump, ordered Dr. Fauci to meet with me. And Dr. Fauci and Francis Collins, and I said to them during that meeting, You have been saying that I'm not telling the truth when I said not one of these has undergone a prior pre-licenser placebo control.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I know my family, when my family came over, all of my grandparents came over in 1848 during the potato famine, And they saw this country as unique in history, as something that was part of kind of a broader spiritual mission. And so I'd say that from a 30,000-foot level, I grew up so proud of this country and believing that it was the greatest country in the world and for those reasons.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the polio may have had one post-licensing. Most of them haven't. The polio may have. I don't know. But I said our question was prior to licensure, do you ever test these for safety? And by the way, I think the polio vaccine... did undergo a saline placebo trial prior to licensure, but not for safety, only for efficacy. So I'm talking about safety trials.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Now, Fauci told me that he said, I can't find one now. He had a whole tray of files there. He said, I can't find that one now, but I'll send you one. I said, just for any vaccine, send me one, for any of the 72 vaccines. He never did. So we sued the HHS.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And after a year of stonewalling us, HHS came back and they gave us a letter saying we have no pre-licensing safety trial for any of the 72 vaccines. And that letter from HHS, which settled our lawsuit against them because we had a FOIA lawsuit against them, is posted on CHD's website. So anybody can go look at it. So if CHD, if, if, HHS had any study.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I assume they would have given it to us, and they can't find one.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And people should. Because Paul Offit published a sub-stack recently debunking, I think, my discussion with Joe Rogan. And we have published a debunk of his debunking. So if you read his stuff, you should read. Read both, yes. You should read. And I would love to debate any of these guys.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Again, I'm not going to look into his head, but what I will say is if you're a scientist and you're making public recommendations based upon what you say is evidence-based science, you ought to be able to defend that. You ought to be able to defend it in a public forum, and you ought to be able to defend it against, you know, all comers.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And, you know, so, you know, if you're a scientist, science is based on, is rooted in logic and reason. And if you can't use logic and reason to defend your position, and by the way, I know almost all of the studies. You know, I've written books on them, and We've made a big effort to assemble all the studies on both sides.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And so I'm prepared to talk about those studies, and I'm prepared to submit them in advance for each of the points. And by the way, I've done that with Peter Hotez. I've actually, because I had this kind of informal debate with him earlier, several years ago with a referee at that time. And we were debating not only by phone, but by email.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And on those emails, every point that he would make, I would cite science. And he could never come back with science. He could never come back with publications. He would give publications that had nothing to do with, for example, thimerosal vaccines, mercury-based vaccines.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He sent me one time 16 studies to rebut something I'd said about thimerosal, and not one of those studies, they were all about the MMR vaccine, which doesn't contain thimerosal. So it wasn't like a real debate where you're You're using reason and isolating points and having a rational discourse. I don't blame him for not debating me because I don't think he has the science.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Yeah, there are many times over time that I, you know, I found that I've made mistakes and we correct those mistakes. You know, I run a big organization and I do a lot of tweets. You know, I'm very careful. For example, my Instagram, I was taken down for misinformation, but there was no misinformation on my Instagram ad. source to a government database or to peer-reviewed science.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But for example, the Defender, which was our organization's newsletter, we summarize scientific reports all the time. That's one of the things, the services that we provide. We watch the PubMed and we watch the peer-reviewed publications and we summarize them when they come out. We have made mistakes.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
When we make a mistake, we are rigorous about acknowledging it, apologizing for it, and changing it. That's what we do. I think we have one of the most robust fact-checking operations anywhere in journalism today. We actually do real science. Listen, I've put up on my Twitter account, and there are numerous times that I've made mistakes on Twitter, and I apologize for it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And people say to me, oh, that's weird. I've never seen anybody apologize on Twitter, but I think it's really important. Of course, human beings make mistakes. My book is 230,000 or 40,000 or 50,000 words. There's going to be a mistake in there. But what I say at the beginning of the book, if you see a mistake in here, please notify me. I give a way that people can notify me.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And if somebody points out a mistake, I'm going to change it. I'm not going to dig my feet in and say, I'm not going to acknowledge this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
To me, freedom does not mean chaos, and it does not mean anarchy. It means that it has to be accompanied by restraint if it's going to live up to its promise and self-restraint. What it means is the capacity for human beings to exercise and to fulfill their creative energies unrestrained as much as possible by government.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
First of all, yeah, I don't consider myself a martyr, and I've never considered myself a victim. I make choices about my life, and I'm content with those choices and peaceful with them. I'm not trying to be a martyr or a hero or anything else. I'm doing what I think is right because I want to be peaceful inside of myself. But the only guard I have is fact-based reality.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
If you show me a scientific study that shows that I'm wrong, for example, if you come back and say, look, Bobby, here's a polio, here's a safety study on polio that was done pre-licensure and used a real salient solution. I'm going to put that on my Twitter and I'm going to say I was wrong. There is one out there. So, you know, but that's all I can do.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I do intermittent fasting. So I eat between, I start at my first meal around noon, and then I try to stop eating at six or seven. Mm-hmm. And then I hike every day. Morning, evening? In the morning. I go to a meeting first thing in the morning, 12-7 meeting. And I go hike. And I hike uphill for a mile and a half up and a mile and a half down with my dogs. And I do my meditations.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And then I go to the gym. And I go to the gym for 35 minutes. I do it short time. I've been exercising for 50 years. And what I found is it's sustainable if I do just the short periods. And I do four different routines at the gym. And I never relax at the gym. I go in there and I have a very intense exercise. I could tell you what my routine is, but I do backs one day, back just one day.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Legs and then a miscellaneous. And I do 12. My first set of everything is I try to reach failure at 12 reps. And then my fourth set of everything is a strip set. I take a lot of vitamins. I can't even list them to you here because I couldn't even remember them all. But I take a ton of vitamins and nutrients. I'm on an anti-aging protocol. from my doctor that includes testosterone replacement.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But I don't take any steroids. I don't take any anabolic steroids or anything like that. And the DRT I use is bio-identical to what my body produced.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I talk to a lot of doctors about that stuff, you know, because I'm interested in health. And, you know, I've heard really good things about it, but I don't know. I'm definitely not an expert on it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Well, I mean, God is incomprehensible. You know, I mean, I guess most philosophers would say we're, you know, we're inside the mind of God. And so it would be impossible for us to understand, you know, what actually, you know, what God's form is. But, I mean, for me, I have a... Let's say this. I was raised in a very, very deeply religious setting.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
So we went to church in the summer, oftentimes twice a day, morning mass. And we definitely went to And we prayed in the morning. We prayed before and after every meal. We prayed at night. We said a rosary, sometimes three rosaries a night. And my father read us the Bible whenever he was home. He would read us. We'd all get in the bed, and he'd read us the Bible stories.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I went to Catholic schools. I went to Jesuit schools. I went to the nuns. And I went to a Quaker school at one point. When I... I became a drug addict when I was about 15 years old, about a year after my dad died. I was addicted to drugs for 14 years. During that time, when you're an addict, you're living against conscience.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And when you're living, and I never, you know, I was always trying to get off of drugs, never able to, but I never felt good about what I was doing. And, um, And when you're living against conscience, you kind of push God to the peripheries of your life. I'll call me he. It recedes and gets smaller. And then when I got sober, I knew that. I had a couple of experiences.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
One is that I had a friend of my brother's, one of my brothers who died of this disease of addiction, had a good friend who had used to take drugs with us, and he became a Mooney. So he became a follower of Reverend Sun Myung Moon. And he, at that point, his compulsion, he had the same kind of compulsion that I had, and yet it was completely removed from him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he used to come and hang out with us, but he would not want to take drugs, even if I was taking them right in front of him. He was immune to it. He'd become impervious to that impulse. And when I first got sober, I was...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I think, you know, he... He was not unique in saying that. Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty had to be watered with the blood of each generation. And what he meant by that is that we can't live off the laurels of the American Revolution. We had a generation where between 25,000 and 70,000 Americans died.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I knew that I did not want to be the kind of person who was, you know, waking up every day in white-knuckling sobriety and just, you know, trying to resist through willpower. And by the way, I had iron willpower as a kid. I gave up candy for Lent when I was 12, and I didn't eat it again until I was in college. I gave up desserts the next year for Lent, and I never
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
college and I was trying to bulk up for rugby and for sports. So I felt like I could do anything with my willpower, but somehow this particular thing, you know, the addiction was completely impervious to it. And it was cunning, baffling, incomprehensible. I could not understand why I couldn't just say no and then never do it again like I did with everything else.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And so I was living against conscience. And I thought about this guy. And reflecting my own prejudices at that time in my life, I said to myself, I didn't want to be like a drug addict who was wanting a drug all the time and just not being able to do it. I wanted to completely realign my prejudice. myself, so that I was somebody who got up every day and just didn't want to take drugs.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Never thought of them. You know, I kissed the wife and children and went to work and was never thought about drugs the whole day. And I knew that people throughout history had done that. You know, I'd read the lives of the saints. I knew St. Augustine had met a very, very dissolute youth. And, you know, I had this spiritual realignment transformation. I knew the same thing had happened to St.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Paul, you know, Damascus. The same thing had happened to St. Francis. St. Francis also had a dissolute and fun-loving youth and had this deep spiritual realignment. And I knew that that happened to people throughout history. And I thought that's what I needed, you know, something like that. I had the example of this friend of mine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And I used to think about him, and I would think this, again, reflects the bias and probably the meanness of myself at that time. But I said, I'd rather be dead than be a Mooney. But I wish I somehow could distill that power that he got without becoming a religious nuisance. And at that time, I picked up a book by Carl Jung called Synchronicity. And Jung, he was a psychiatrist.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
He was a contemporary of Freud's. Freud was his mentor, and Freud wanted him to be his replacement, but Freud was an avowed atheist. And Jung was a deeply spiritual man. He had these very intense and genuine spiritual experiences from when he was a little boy, from when he was three years old, that he remembers. His biography is fascinating about him because he remembers them with such detail.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he was interesting to me because he was a very faithful scientist, and I considered myself a science-based person from when I was little. And yet he had this spiritual dimension to him. which infused all of his thinking and really, I think, made him, you know, it branded his form of recovery or of treatment.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he thought that he had this experience that he describes in this book where he's sitting up on the third, he ran one of the biggest sanitariums in Europe in Zurich, and he was sitting up on the third floor of this building, And he's talking to a patient who was describing her dream to him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the fulcrum of that dream was a scarab beetle, which was an insect that is very, very uncommon, if at all, in Northern Europe. But it's an almond figure in the iconography of Egypt and the hieroglyphics on the walls of the pyramids, et cetera. And... And while he was talking to her, he heard this bing, bing, bing on the window behind him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
They gave their lives, they gave their livelihoods, they gave their status, they gave their property, and they put it all on the line to give us our Bill of Rights. But those Bill of Rights, the moment that we signed them, there were forces within our society that that began trying to chip away at them.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he didn't want to turn around to take his attention off her, but finally he does it. In exasperation, he turns around, he throws up the window, and a scarab beetle flies in and lands in his hand. And he shows it to the woman, and he says, is this what you were thinking of? Is this what you were dreaming about?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he was struck by that experience, which was similar to other experiences he's had like that. And that's what synchronicity means. It's a It's an incident, a coincidence. And like if you're talking with somebody about somebody that you haven't thought about in 20 years and that person calls on the phone, that's synchronicity.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he believed it was a way that God intervened in our lives that broke all the rules of nature that he had set up, the rules of physics, the rules of mathematics, you know, to reach in and sort of tap us on the shoulder and say, I'm here. And so he tried to reproduce that in a clinical setting.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And he would put one guy in one room and another guy in another room and have them flip cards and guess what the other guy had flipped. And he believed that if he could beat the laws of chance, laws of mathematics, that he would have proved the existence of an unnatural law, a supernatural law. And that was the first step to proving the existence of a god. He never succeeds in doing it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
But he says in the book, even though I can't prove using empirical and scientific tools the existence of a god, I can show through anecdotal evidence, having seen thousands of patients come through this institution, that people who believe in God get better faster and that the recovery is more enduring than people who don't.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And for me, hearing that was more impactful than if he had claimed that he had proved the existence of God, because I would not believe that. But I was already at a mindset where I would have done anything I could to improve my chances of never having
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And if believing in God was going to help me, whether there's a God up there or not, believing in one itself had the power to help me, I was going to do that. So then the question is, how do you start believing in something that you can't see or smell or hear or touch or taste or acquire with your senses? And Jung provides the formula for that. And he says, act as if.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
You fake it till you make it. And so that's, you know, what I started doing. I just started pretending there was a God watching me all the time. And kind of life was a series of tests. And there was a bunch of moral decisions that I had to make every day. And each one, you know, these were all just little things that I did. But each one now for me had a moral dimension. Like,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
in bed for an extra 10 minutes with my indolent thoughts or do i jump right out of bed do i do i make my bed most important decision of the day do i hang up the towels you know do i um Do I, when I go into the closet and pull out my blue jeans and a bunch of those wire hangers fall on the ground, do I shut the door and say, I'm too important to do that, that's somebody else's job or not?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And so do I put the water in the ice tray before I put it in the freezer? Do I put the shopping cart back in the place that it's supposed to go in the parking lot of the Safeway? And if I make a whole bunch of those choices right... That I maintain myself in a posture of surrender, which keeps me open to the power of, to my higher power, to my God.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that happens in every generation, and it is the obligation of every generation to safeguard and protect those freedoms.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And when I do those things right, when I, you know, so much about addiction is about abuse of power, abuse of power. all of us have some power, whether it's, you know, good looks or whether it's, you know, connections or education or family or whatever. And there's always a temptation to use those to fulfill self-will.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And the challenge is how do you use those always to serve instead God's will and, you know, the good of our community. And that to me, is kind of the struggle. And when I do that, I feel God's power coming through me and that I can do things. I'm much more effective as a human being. That gnawing, you know, anxiety that I lived with for so many years and my God, it's gone.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And that I can kind of like put down the oars and hoist the sail and, you know, and the wind takes me and I can see the evidence of it in my life. And the big temptation for me is that... when all these good things start happening in my life and the cash and prizes start flowing in, how do I maintain that posture of surrender?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
How do I stay surrendered then when my inclination is to say to God, thanks, God, I got it from here, and drive the car off the cliff again? So I had a spiritual awakening, and my desire for drugs and alcohol was lifted miraculously. And to me, it was as much a miracle as if I had been able to walk on water.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Because I had tried everything earnestly, sincerely, and honestly for a decade to try to stop, and I could not do it under my own power. And then all of a sudden, it was lifted effortlessly. And, you know, so I saw that evidence, early evidence of God in my life and of the power of And I see it now, you know, every day of my life.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
It's the battle to just do the right thing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
Thank you, Lex.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
I suppose the way that Camus viewed the world and the way that the Stoics did and a lot of the existentialists was that it was so absurd and that the problems and the tasks that were given just to live a life are so insurmountable.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
That the only way that we can kind of get back the gods for giving us this, you know, this impossible task of living life was to embrace it and to enjoy it and to do our best at it. I mean, to me, I... You know, I read Camus, particularly in the Myth of Sisyphus, as a parable.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#388 – Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning
And it's the same lesson that I think he writes about in The Plague, where we're all given these insurmountable tasks in our lives, but that... By doing our duty, by being of service to others, we can bring meaning to a meaningless chaos, and we can bring order to the universe. And Sisyphus was kind of the iconic hero of the Stoics, and he was a man because he did something good.
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Remarkable to see that trend reversing so quickly. Cabot, thanks so much for reporting. Absolutely.
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Trump-Zelensky Feud & MAHA’s Industry Impact | 2.20.25
In the U.S., six out of every 10 adults have at least one chronic disease and four in 10 have two or more. The U.S. has the highest age standardized cancer incident rate among 204 countries in the world. Asthma and autoimmune diseases are far more common in the U.S. than in any other part of the world. Autism now affects one in every 36 kids, a more than fourfold increase over past decades.
Morning Wire
Trump-Zelensky Feud & MAHA’s Industry Impact | 2.20.25
Sperm counts and testosterone are down about 50% in American boys, and our girls are reaching puberty six years earlier than historical generations.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
So in this so-called post-truth society, or this society in which people think there's my truth and your truth, but really no such thing as the truth, Cornell and I are putting forward the proposition that, in fact, there is a truth. It's hard to get to sometimes, can never know it perfectly, but there is a truth, and we should be about the business of knowing it, and knowing it really matters.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
The first point I think that it's important to understand is we think you need to get beyond tribalism. You need to abandon tribalism. You need to think for yourself.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
And anybody who thinks for himself, although he may, by virtue of his views, belong to a certain community of conviction, there will always be points on which he disagrees, where he's critical of his own tribe, his own ideological group, his own comrades in arms in political and cultural struggles.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
And you need the courage to be able to and willing to dissent when you think your team has gone wrong on this point or that point. Number two, you need to be open to the possibility that your side isn't always in the right. Your side can be wrong about things. You can be wrong about things. So you need intellectual humility and a self-critical attitude. That's all part and parcel of truth seeking.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
And then the third thing, and this is so very important today, is we need to get beyond the idea that if someone disagrees with me, they are waging an assault on me personally. In this identitarian age that we live in, people confuse their beliefs, their convictions with their very selves.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
And so if you challenge someone's view on something, that person will perceive it as a personal insult, a personal attack, but that is toxic to truth seeking. And it just further deepens us in the mire of ideology. So we need to be willing to be challenged, open to be criticized.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
We need to be willing to engage others, yes, with the spirit of trying to teach what we think we know, but also with the spirit of trying to learn from our critics.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
Well, the goal of a political campaign is to win, but my worry is that, and this last election is a very good example of it, people are willing to win at any cost, and truth can simply be thrown out the window. And so often in this past campaign it was, and you could both point to examples on both sides.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
But I think what we have to demand of our politicians is at least some minimal threshold level of truth telling. We have to make sure that politicians pay a price when they just egregiously lie to the public. And we've seen this time and time and time again. Now, all the polling data, Georgia. show that there's a massive loss of trust by the American people in their institutions.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
That's not the fault of the American people. That's the fault of the institutions, which means it's the fault of the people who lead and run these institutions.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
They earned the distrust that they now have, whether we're talking about the media, whether we're talking about government and politics, whether we're talking about the judiciary, whether we're talking about the presidency itself, whether we're talking about religion, Look at all the great institutions on which we rely for a healthy society who have lost the trust of the people.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
The only way to get unity is to rebuild trust. And the only way to rebuild trust is for people in leadership positions in politics, journalism, the corporate world, in religion, to actually be honest with people. You can't please everybody. We are a deeply divided society.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
We are legitimately divided over very, very important issues, deep moral questions, questions of the human good, human dignity, human rights, fundamental justice. That's the reality we have to deal with. But we can trust each other despite our differences if we can rely on each other to be honest, say what you mean, mean what you say, have integrity. Don't just jerk us around.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
Tell us one thing today when it's convenient for you politically or some other respect and then tell us another thing tomorrow to shift with the winds. We need people in leadership positions and not just politics. More broadly, we need leadership that will be honest with us. We can respect that even if we disagree.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
The title says what the book is about. The title of the book is Truth Matters, a dialogue on fruitful disagreement in an age of division. So Brother Cornell and I are both dedicated. It's our vocation to get at the truth of things, to try to get in touch with reality. At the same time, we recognize that we, like every other member of the human family, is fallible. We get things wrong.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
Well, I've been a critic of President Trump since he came down the Golden Escalator. A lot of my criticism has been focused on character issues. Back when Bill Clinton was president and the Lewinsky scandal happened, I was one of the people who said, you know, this has got to be taken seriously because character matters for leadership.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
I opposed those people who said, well, a person's personal private life makes no difference to his public leadership abilities. And I said, no, in the long run, it does. In the long run, character really matters. matters. So I haven't been a Trump supporter. Now, I certainly was not a Hillary Clinton supporter or a Biden supporter. But here's my attitude toward President Trump.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
He was elected president of the United States. I didn't vote for him, but he was elected president. That means he's my president as well as everybody else's president. And what that means is that I have an obligation to support him when I can and oppose him when I must. So I'm looking for every opportunity to support him. But there are issues on which I simply cannot support him.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
And in that case, I'm going to have to oppose him. I think Donald Trump is right about some things and some concerns that he has voiced have been genuine concerns of the American people. And there are concerns of people who are concerned about the least well-off sectors of our society. So I will support the president and do support the president when I can, and I will only oppose him when I must.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
Oh, there's no doubt that Trump has hit a nerve. He perceived the problems. Let's be honest about it. The problems that working class Americans have been experiencing now really literally for decades. Wage stagnation is a longstanding, serious problem. So he's tapped into that. He's tapped into the concerns that a lot of people have with woke ideology, so-called wokeism.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
And those concerns are not just concerns of white male people. They're concerns of people in the African-American community, in the Latino community, in the Asian community. The chaos of our immigration system, the huge problem of illegal immigration, which benefits nobody except bad guys.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
That is the cartels in Mexico and then greedy corporations in the United States who want to take advantage of illegal immigrant labor that they can compensate below minimum wage and so forth and so on. Trump noticed that that's an issue that people really do care about and not just white males. So he won legitimately, I would say. those increases in the votes of minorities that he got.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
He noticed issues that others had left on the table.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
We never know the truth perfectly. We never know it fully. Nevertheless, it's our calling as professors, but it's also the calling of every member of the human family. to try to get at the truth of things, not to live in error, not to live with lies, not to live with falsehoods, but to try to get the truth of things. It's intrinsic to our flourishing as human beings.
Morning Wire
Truth Over Tribe: An Interview with Cornel West & Robert George | 3.15.25
Thank you so much, Georgia.
Morning Wire
RFK Jr. Takes on Autism & Fed Fight | 4.21.25
Autism destroys families. More importantly, it destroys our greatest resource, which are our children.
Morning Wire
RFK Jr. Takes on Autism & Fed Fight | 4.21.25
25% of the kids who are diagnosed with autism are nonverbal diagnosed. non-toilet-trained and have other stereotypical features, headbanging, tactile and light sensitivities, stimming, toe-locking, etc.
Morning Wire
RFK Jr. Takes on Autism & Fed Fight | 4.21.25
The autism rates have gone from our most recent numbers, we think are going to be about 1 in 31, from 1 in 10,000 when I was a kid. And at your direction, we've launched a massive testing and research effort that's going to involve hundreds of scientists from around the world. By September, we will know what has caused the autism epidemic and we'll be able to eliminate those exposures.
Morning Wire
RFK Jr. Takes on Autism & Fed Fight | 4.21.25
If you accept the epidemic deniers narrative, you have to believe that researchers in North Dakota miss 98.8% of the children with autism. That thousands of profoundly disabled children were somehow invisible to doctors, teachers, parents, and even their own study. Doctors and therapists in the past were not stupid. They weren't missing all these cases. The epidemic is real.
Morning Wire
Education Overhaul & RFK Jr.’s Bold Moves | 3.7.25
We're going to be honest with the American people for the first time in history about all of the tests and all the studies, what we know, what we don't.
Morning Wire
Education Overhaul & RFK Jr.’s Bold Moves | 3.7.25
What we're trying to do is really to restore faith in government and to make sure that we are there to help them with their needs and not particularly to dictate what they ought to be doing.
Morning Wire
DOGE’s HHS Overhaul & Maine Sports Standoff | 3.28.25
When I arrived, I found that over half of our employees don't even come to work. As part of President Trump's Doge Workforce Reduction Initiative, we're going to streamline HHS and make our agency more efficient and more effective.
Morning Wire
DOGE’s HHS Overhaul & Maine Sports Standoff | 3.28.25
We're going to eliminate an entire alphabet soup of departments and agencies while preserving their core functions by merging them into a new organization called the Administration for a Healthy America, or AHAH.
Morning Wire
DOGE’s HHS Overhaul & Maine Sports Standoff | 3.28.25
Putting the money and the personnel in there is not alone going to solve the problem. And what I found when I came to HHS was really a sprawling bureaucracy. We have over 100 communications departments.
Morning Wire
RFK Restructures HHS & Tourist Submarine Sinks | Afternoon Update | 3.27.25
I want everyone who works here to be proud of this agency, to be proud of their work, to feel a renewed inspiration and their own sense of responsibility for our success in restoring America to good health.
Morning Wire
RFK Restructures HHS & Tourist Submarine Sinks | Afternoon Update | 3.27.25
We're going to streamline our agency and eliminate the redundancies and invite everyone to align behind a simple, bold mission. We're going to save taxpayers nearly $2 billion a year, and we're going to return HHS to its original commitment to public health and gold standard science.
Morning Wire
Trade War Escalates & Coal's Comeback | Afternoon Update | 4.11.25
Our agency grew by 38% over the past four years. We have 100 communication departments. We have 40 procurement departments. We have 40 IT departments. We have nine HR departments, and many of them have computer systems that can't talk to each other, that are incompatible.
Morning Wire
Trade War Escalates & Coal's Comeback | Afternoon Update | 4.11.25
And then we also had 28 different... institutes, sub-agencies, and many of them were redundant. What this reorganization is meant to do is to eliminate the redundancies, to streamline the agency, and to reorient it so that we are trying to make America healthy. Because a lot of times, people, when they live in silos, their mission comes to accomplish A very, very narrow task.
Morning Wire
Trade War Escalates & Coal's Comeback | Afternoon Update | 4.11.25
And I want everybody at that agency to wake up every morning like I do and say, what do I need to do today to make America healthy again?
NPR News Now
NPR News: 01-29-2025 6PM EST
I know people, including members of my family, who've had a much worse time getting off of SSRIs than people have getting off of heroin.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
887. Andy & DJ CTI: French President Macron Shoved In Face By Wife, Parents Confront Trans Track Star Athlete's Mother & COVID Vaccines No Longer Recommended
No, I'll keep that.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
887. Andy & DJ CTI: French President Macron Shoved In Face By Wife, Parents Confront Trans Track Star Athlete's Mother & COVID Vaccines No Longer Recommended
Hi everybody, I'm Robert F. Kennedy Jr., your HHS Secretary, and I'm here today with NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary. I couldn't be more pleased to announce that as of today, the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
887. Andy & DJ CTI: French President Macron Shoved In Face By Wife, Parents Confront Trans Track Star Athlete's Mother & COVID Vaccines No Longer Recommended
Last year, the Biden administration urged healthy children to get yet another COVID shot despite the lack of any clinical data to support the repeat booster strategy in children.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
887. Andy & DJ CTI: French President Macron Shoved In Face By Wife, Parents Confront Trans Track Star Athlete's Mother & COVID Vaccines No Longer Recommended
We're now one step closer to realizing President Trump's promise to make America healthy again.
Radio Atlantic
How Fragile Is Our Vaccine Infrastructure?
There's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective. I do believe that autism does come from vaccines. You know, all I've said about vaccines, we should have good science.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
And now the same idiots are calling you a Nazi. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean... There's so many examples of people saying my heart goes out to you. Sure, sure. You did it with a little enthusiasm that probably wouldn't be recommended with hindsight.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
But it's so strange where people want to think that you are openly, publicly doing secret Nazi, secret hand motions.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
Yeah, I got pumped up, exactly. Yeah, that's all it is, obviously. Obviously. Obviously.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
Well, I've had friends that have a different perspective on the Obama situation. And my friend Willie was talking to me about this. And he was saying that what happened was when you look, one thing that we can be sure of is that race is surreal. And when Obama became president, those people became more emboldened.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
And so then we run into each other in Aspen. Just randomly.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I noticed you walking. I'm like, that's... Yeah, it is. So I said, hey, what's up?
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
What is the documentation? Well, you know... You said that Fauci has publicly admitted that it's not a flu.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
This is important to cover, right? So let's see if we can find this. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as cause of death in pandemic influenza implications. Yeah, of pandemic influenza preparedness. So what this is saying is that bacterial pneumonia was the cause of death. Let's read what he says, the results. Conclusions.
Revisionist History
The Joe Rogan Intervention
A majority of deaths from the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory tract bacteria.
Science Vs
Dire Wolves! They're Back?
If we're going to be in anguish about losing a species, then now we have an opportunity to bring them back. I mean, pick your favorite species and call up Colossal and instead of raising money to get animals on the Endangered species, let's figure out a way to get them off. And this is one tool, biodiversity, what it can do for everybody.
Science Vs
Measles: How Worried Should We Be?
The vaccine wanes. The vaccines wane about 4.8% per year. So, you know, it's a leaky vaccine and that problem is always going to be around.
Science Vs
Measles: How Worried Should We Be?
The best thing that Americans can do is to keep themselves healthy. It's very, very difficult for measles to kill a healthy person.
Science Vs
Fluoride: Is Your Water Safe?
Not only ineffectual, but harmful because of all the science that's emerging. Water fluoridation, scientifically proven not to work.
Short Wave
Are DOGE Cuts Making America Healthy?
You know how bureaucracies work. Every time a new issue arises, they tack on another committee. This leads to tremendous waste and duplication and, worst of all, a loss of any unified sense of mission.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2139 - SHOCKING Tapes: Department of Education Pushes SEX WORK FOR CHILDREN
I, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Do solemnly swear. Do solemnly swear. That I will support and defend. That I will support and defend. The Constitution of the United States. The Constitution of the United States. Against all enemies. Against all enemies. Foreign and domestic. Foreign and domestic. That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the say.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2139 - SHOCKING Tapes: Department of Education Pushes SEX WORK FOR CHILDREN
That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the say. That I take this obligation freely. I take this obligation freely. Without any mental reservation. Without any mental reservation. Or purpose of evasion. Or purpose of evasion. And that I will well and faithfully discharge. And that I will well and faithfully discharge. The duties of the office. The duties of the office.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2139 - SHOCKING Tapes: Department of Education Pushes SEX WORK FOR CHILDREN
On which I am about to enter. On which I am about to enter. So help me God. So help me God. Congratulations.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2139 - SHOCKING Tapes: Department of Education Pushes SEX WORK FOR CHILDREN
Or... 20 years, I've gotten up every morning on my knees and prayed that God would put me in a position where I can end the childhood chronic disease epidemic in this country. On August 23rd of last year, God sent me President Trump. And he gave me... He's now given me, he's kept every promise that he's made to me. He's kept his word in every account and gone way beyond it.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2139 - SHOCKING Tapes: Department of Education Pushes SEX WORK FOR CHILDREN
I'm so grateful to you, Mr. President. A lot of people told me that I couldn't trust President Trump. I better get it in writing. And we did a handshake and everything that he told me he was going to do, he has done. And I'm so grateful to him. And I've told you before, I genuinely believe that you are a pivotal historical figure and you are going to transform this country.
The Briefing with Jen Psaki
Polls show Americans aren't buying Trump team's ignorance ploy
For measles? Probably for measles. What I would say is my opinions about vaccines are irrelevant. I don't want to seem like I'm being evasive, but I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me.
The Briefing with Jen Psaki
Polls show Americans aren't buying Trump team's ignorance ploy
I can't tell you that now, Senator Murray. What I can tell you is that if you contact my office tomorrow, I'll look specifically into that.
The Daily
R.F.K. Jr. Sends a Message on Vaccines
Last year, the Biden administration urged healthy children to get yet another COVID shot despite the lack of any clinical data. to support the repeat booster strategy in children.
The Daily
R.F.K. Jr. Sends a Message on Vaccines
We're now one step closer to realizing President Trump's promise to make America healthy again.
The Daily
R.F.K. Jr. Sends a Message on Vaccines
Hi, everybody. I'm Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., your HHS secretary, and I'm here today with NIH Director Dr. J.P.
The Daily
R.F.K. Jr. Sends a Message on Vaccines
I couldn't be more pleased to announce that as of today... He said that he couldn't be more pleased, those are his words, that he was announcing... The COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women... has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule.
The Daily
The Growing Danger of Measles
Bobby, you want to speak on that, please? We are following the measles epidemic every day. I think there's 120.
The Daily
The Growing Danger of Measles
There have been four measles outbreaks this year. in this country last year that were 16.
The Daily
The Growing Danger of Measles
And there are about 20 people hospitalized, mainly for quarantine.
The Daily
The Growing Danger of Measles
So he went on Fox News and he did this long interview. He said he spoke to the Mennonite community. He talked to the family of the child who died. At this point, we are recommending that people in those communities get vaccines.
The Daily
The Growing Danger of Measles
But almost moments later... The CDC in the past has not done a good job at quantifying the risk of vaccines.
The Daily
The Growing Danger of Measles
where doctors are treating patients based upon what's best for that patient rather than, you know, what's best theoretically for the entire community.
The Daily
The Growing Danger of Measles
And as I said, we are recommending that people in Gaines County get vaccines where we are also respectful of their personal choices.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
We are watching something now that I never believed that I would see in my lifetime.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
Ash is a man to find. as a merger of state and corporate power orchestrated by Tony Fauci.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
Even in Hitler's Germany, you could cross the Alps into Switzerland. You can hide in an attic like Anne Frank did.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
Today, the mechanisms are being put in place. And we'll make it so none of us can run and none of us can hide.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
They're putting in 5G to harvest our data and control our behavior. Digital currency that will allow them to punish us from a distance and cut off our food supply.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
We have the sixth people in the world. There's nobody else who has a chronic disease burden than we do. Kennedy is tapping into something. When I was a kid, the typical pediatrician would see one case of juvenile diabetes in his lifetime. Today, one out of every three kids who walks through his office door is pre-diabetic or diabetic.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
And he was told by his doctor there'll never be a cure for asthma because it's so rare, nobody will ever study it. And today, one out of every eight black children has asthma. What happened? Kennedy starts talking also about chronic disease. Neurological diseases, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, AIDS. the things he says kind of make sense.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
They're making tons of money on our illness, and they have very little incentive to make us better.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
In my advocacy, I've often disturbed the status quo by asking uncomfortable questions.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
I don't know what happened in 1990. There was no plague that was killing children that we had to triple the amount of vaccines.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
God forbid, no wonder why cancer and all the things are running rampant nowadays, because a lot of people don't know. 90% of what you're finding in the grocery store is pure poison.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
We want a healthy country. The good news is that we can change all this. America can get healthy again.
The Daily
How R.F.K. Jr. and ‘Medical Freedom’ Rose to Power
To do that, we need to do three things. First, we need to root out the corruption in our health agencies. Second, we need to change incentives in our health care system. And third, We need to inspire Americans to get healthy again.
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
Hmm. They need to have more transparency in our government, and he's keeping his promise to them.
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
And throughout RFK's life... The day that my uncle was killed, the first phone call that my father made after J. Edgar Hoover told him that his brother had been shot was to the CIA desk officer. And my father said to him, did your people do this?
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
It was my father's first instinct that the agency had killed his brother.
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
There's millions of pages of documents. There's a 60-year cover-up.
The Daily
The Sunday Read: ‘How Analytics Marginalized Baseball’s Superstar Pitchers’
He struck him out with 100. Paul Skeens. He has faced four Cubs. He has struck out each of them to begin his day.
The Daily
The Sunday Read: ‘How Analytics Marginalized Baseball’s Superstar Pitchers’
Swing and a foul tip. He struck him out. That's unbelievable. It is absolutely incredible.
The Daily
The Sunday Read: ‘How Analytics Marginalized Baseball’s Superstar Pitchers’
He has struck out seven. Derek Shelton going to remove Skeens and we'll just listen to the reaction as he heads the dugout. They're already starting to stand before he even gives up.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
That's about it. I'm nothing special. I got no title.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
Mainly grew up in Round Rock, Texas. It's right down the road.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
You know, for a while there, I was into the whole Jack Kerouac part of life where I was just wandering around. I was that rambling teenager. I wanted to hurry the hell up and get out. So probably about age 15, 16, I started hopping on greyhounds and just going wherever I had it.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
I had a good girlfriend at the time who was like a high school sweetheart who I wound up marrying.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
I just got in the car and realized I didn't have anywhere to stay. So I kind of just stayed in my car and then... The very first time I lost my car and it actually stayed on the streets, that was probably, I don't know, maybe about eight years ago or so.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
Yeah, I just kind of started just giving up on everything. My health kind of went to shit. And then I started drinking a whole lot. So I didn't help the body situation any.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
I started talking to some people like that were trying to help on the streets. And I did whatever they asked, you know. I just didn't want to be on the streets anymore. It wasn't the romantic story of wandering anymore.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
My youngest was like, damn, Dad, you snore. I was like, I've never heard you sleep. I was like... Wow. Oh, yeah, I didn't even think about that.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
That part of my life is still just up in the air. You know, I'm still going to drink. I know it's a problem. I know the triggers and stuff. Once you go do your little 28 days or whatever, you get a different grasp on it. But, uh... I have tried almost everything.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
I'm doing good, actually. Yeah, yeah. I mean, uh...
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
This place changed my life. I mean, I don't know if it necessarily saved my life. It might have because there was a few times, I mean, right before I got here where I was like, man, I don't know how much more my body's going to take or how much my mind's going to take. But this place is awesome. I mean, I'm not trying to sell anything. It just really... Just taking advantage of it and I love it.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
And I'm going to keep on doing it, you know. Talk to whoever needs to be talked to. Do whatever job needs to be done.
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
Funny story, my mom just asked recently, when she was here, a horrible question for a mom to ask, but she was like, well, if you do pass before us, what do you want done?
The Daily
The Texas Village Rethinking Homelessness
I live rough. I think she's always been worried that she's going to watch her son die, which is, you know, speaking from a parent's point of view now, that's the most horrible thing in the world.
The Dan Bongino Show
Which Cabinet Member Was The Biden Admin Spying On? | Episode 34
We have ended HHS as the role, as the vector, the principal vector in this country for child trafficking. And during the Biden administration, HHS became a collaborator in child trafficking and for sex and for abortion. for slavery. And we have ended that and we're very aggressively going out and trying to find these children, the 300,000 children that were lost by the Biden administration.
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Which Cabinet Member Was The Biden Admin Spying On? | Episode 34
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The Dan Bongino Show
Which Cabinet Member Was The Biden Admin Spying On? | Episode 34
First, they came for that criminal, and then they came for the next criminal, and then they came for the next criminal, and then they came for me. I don't think you want to be a part of that list, Hank Johnson.
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My inclination is to give people good information and at the same time maximize freedom. I wouldn't tell people what to eat and what not to eat, but what I would tell people is I'm going to take the NIH and bring it back to its original mission. Let me explain that. When I was a little kid, NIH was the gold standard scientific agency on Earth, just like NASA was for space.
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But when I was a little boy, we lived in McLean, which is only a few minutes from Bethesda, Maryland. And my mother had an assistant who worked for her whose husband was a scientist at NIH. I used to go down to NIH because I was fascinated by science. And I would go and look at the guinea pigs and the rats and the mice and all the things they were doing.
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And, you know, during that period, Mark, we had there were a lot of new countries that were beginning. There were 122 new nations that began after World War II and a lot of more African and colonial nations started. that got their sovereignty, they didn't have the money to have a real scientific agency.
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So a lot of them in their constitutions and their statutory framework would say, if FDA approves it, if NIH says it's true, then we will consider it true. So they didn't even have their agencies, but they relied on ours because everybody trusted American science.
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And then something happened to NIH and a whole bunch of, there was a lot of corporate capture, all these mechanisms of corporate capture. But most importantly, in 1980, the Buy Dole Act was passed. And that act gave NIH and NIH individual scientists the rights to collect royalties on any drug that they worked on.
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So, for example, today, the Moderna vaccine was produced by NIH and it's made tens of billions of dollars. Well, half that money will go to NIH.
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And some of that money goes to scientists who work at NIH. There's six scientists who get to collect one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year forever. Well, of course, if you have those kind of perverse economic incentives and conflicts of interest, it is going to subsume the regulatory function.
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And beneath the kind of mercantile ambitions of those individuals who can make a lot of money, if you're paying for your boat and your alimony and your house and your children's education, a drug that you're supposed to be regulating, you may turn a blind eye. some of the problems with that drug, and you may do everything you can to get it through the regulatory process and get it mandated.
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And that's what's happened. But not only that, the entire function of NIH has changed so that I think it was 2016 or 2017 when I actually did this calculation that was 220 new drugs approved by FDA, and all of them had come from NIH. So NIH is now the biggest incubator of pharmaceutical products.
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And what's happened is they're no longer doing what they're supposed to be doing, which is to answer the question, why do we have an autism epidemic? Why do we have an obesity epidemic? It's pretty easy to figure out. There's only a certain number of suspects. You have processed foods, the PFOAs. You have neonicotinoid pesticides, atrazine, glyphosate, cell phone radiation.
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There's a limited universe, and you can figure out pretty easily which ones are causing which effects, and it's probably cumulative, so they're all probably working on similar biological pathways and hurting our kids. You can figure out that too. NIH does not do that science.
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In fact, if you try to do that science, let's say you're a university, young associate professor at Stanford, and you say, hey, you know what? I have access to the vaccine. I have access to the California or the Florida health care records, so I can look at exposures that people made, and then subsequent medical claims, whether it's vaccines or, you know, your food, diet. You can look at all that.
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I'm going to study and find out why do we have an autism epidemic? Why do we have an obesity epidemic? If you try to do those studies... You could easily jeopardize your job in the near future.
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go down to NIH during my first week in office, and I'm going to assemble all the division chairs and the branch chairs, and I'm going to say to them, we're going to do something different. We have a NIH... has a $42 billion annual budget. It distributes that money to 56,000 scientists, mainly at universities, to develop new drugs and to do studies.
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I'm going to say we are going to make it our priority now, as fast as possible, to fund studies that are going to tell us what's causing this epidemic. And then I'm going to get those studies funded and And I'm going to get them underway, every way of looking at them. I'm also going to call in all the scientific journals into the Justice Department.
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And I'm going to say to them, you've been serving the entrant. You've been lying to the public. You are representing yourself as a neutral person. and reliable source of health information. And you have done tremendous damage to public health because you are not that. You are publishing fake science that is designed to promote the mercantile ambitions of the pharmaceutical industry.
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And of the food industry, of the big agricultural interests, of the oil and gas and coal and all these other big, powerful industries. And you're lying to the public and you've caused tremendous damage to public health. And I'm going to hold you responsible. I'm going to litigate against you under the racketeering laws, under the general tort laws. I'm going to find a way.
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to sue you unless you come up with a plan right now to show how you're going to start publishing real science and stop retracting the real science and publishing the fake pharmaceutical science by these phony industry mercenaries, scientists that we call biostitutes.
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That's what they published in the New England Journal of Medicine, the Lancet, you know, eBioPharma, all of these other publications elsewhere. And I'm going to straighten that out so that people can actually get real information. The other thing that that's going to do, Mark, is it will give the attorneys a chance to litigate these issues in court because there's no good science on these issues.
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You can't sue anybody. a company for making your children fat, for poisoning them so that their microbiome doesn't work anymore. Once you create that science, once you have 15 or 20 studies that show that, then those kind of suits become possible. And that's how you really change policy, just like we did with the Monsanto case.
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We got a critical threshold of studies, animal studies, observational studies, epidemiological studies, band studies, that showed that glyphosate was causing non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in Roundup. And before that, if you were the president of the United States and you tried to ban Roundup, you would go nowhere. It doesn't matter who you are. But if you have enough science...
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to get past the Daubert threshold, which is that threshold in federal courts where the judge has to make an independent judgment at their sufficient science, critical mass of science, 15, 20, 25 studies out there that show the link between this exposure and this illness. That's called Daubert. And the judge is not allowed to send it to a jury until you have that package of science.
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And what I'm going to do, I'm going to provide that enough science, sufficient science on each one of these exposures and each one of these injuries to show who's causing what and hold them responsible and quick.
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Well, I mean, I think there's a number of ways to deal with it. One is what I said before is to make sure they're producing good science and then you have a market response. You know, once you get good information to the public, you can have a market response to bad food, to bad, you know, to tell people. You're not helping to tell mothers. You're not helping your mother, your children.
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Feed them Froot Loops. You are not doing what a parent ought to do to give your kids dyes and sugar, a mixture of dyes and sugar and high fructose corn syrup.
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I mean, and then the other thing I'm going to do is just to change the corporate culture at these agencies and that. It's going to require a president who actually understands how the agencies work. I've litigated against almost all these agencies, against NIH, CDC, FDA, EPA, FCC. I recently won a case against FCC in the Federal Court of Appeals.
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are lying to the public about cell phone radiation. I'm involved in litigation right now involving DOT, Department of Transportation, because I'm representing a thousand families in East Palestine, Ohio, whose lives were abandoned by the North African Southern Corps. All of these problems, you know, on all of these agencies are coming from corporate capture. And I know how to unravel it.
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I know in many of the agencies who the individuals are. I could name them. off the top of my head who are putting corporate capture on the steroids. I understand the perverse incentives that also amplify corporate capture. Why does FDA get 50% of its budget? from pharmaceutical companies. Why can NIH scientists get royalties on the products they're supposed to be regulating?
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Why does NIH get royalties on products it's supposed to be finding problems with? It's a bribery. It's an eternal loop of bribery, of corrupt bribery. And I'm going to go to these agencies. I'm going to pick people. Instead of picking like Donald Trump promised that he would unravel the swamp, but then he appoints John Bolton to head NSA, who is the face of the military industrial complex.
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He appoints Scott Gottlieb, who's a business partner of Pfizer, to run FDA.
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Well, FDA does an $88 billion under him for Pfizer, and then he goes back to work for Pfizer again. So Alex Azar is another lobbyist from the – pharmaceutical industry who gets appointed to the head of NIH. And you look at all of the regulatory agencies, they were all being run by people who were within those industries. And I'm not going to do that.
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I'm going to bring people of integrity into government and, you know, who will change the culture of those agencies and reward the branch and division chairs that actually are doing public health. And I'm going to get rid of I'm going to change some of the policies about the report that allows these, you know, I think the last...
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Six FDA chiefs have gone to work for pharmaceutical companies within a year of leaving the FDA.
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Another thing that we can do is You know, and I'm saying this with a due concern for privacy or individual privacy, but you can depersonalize medical records and digitalize. A lot of them are digitalized anyway. Once they're digitalized, you can do a medical informatic system that essentially is constantly doing epidemiological studies on every drug.
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and comparing one diabetes drug outcome to another diabetes drug outcome, and then saying, we're only gonna pay for the one where we maximize the bang for buck. And none of that happens. There's none of those kind of everything, Everybody is at the mercy of the pharmaceutical reps. You know, the doctors are prescribing what they tell them to prescribe.
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And, you know, the public is at the mercy of an FDA that is owned. You know, the FDA is just a stock puppet. And the industry is supposed to regulate. And, you know, all of this is easily changed. I'm not saying it's, you know, I'm going to be able to accomplish it all on day one, but I'm going to accomplish it very quickly.
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And, you know, what I've said to people, if I haven't dramatically reduced the occurrence of chronic disease in children by my third year in office, that people shouldn't vote for me again. You know, I'm that confident that I'm going to be able to change this.
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Yeah. And, you know, that debate between, you know, Medicaid for all or, you know, whether there's a public private, you know, a public option or. a gradual integration or, you know, whatever it is, Obamacare, it's all about moving deck chairs around in the Titanic. Because, you know, the thing that's driving costs, it's shifting costs from one person to another.
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Is it, you know, who's going to pay the costs? It's going to be the doctors who pay the costs. It's going to be the hospitals that pay the costs. It's going to be the HMOs, the pharmaceutical companies, the government. Who's going to pay it? That's the only debate that's going on.
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And what we should be saying is how do we reduce the cost so it's more in line with the healthier countries in the world? We pay $4.3 trillion for health care. That dwarfs what anybody else pays in the world per capita we're paying. two or three or four times what other European nations do, and we're getting worse outcomes.
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I read one, you know, there's many ways of calculating where we are in the world. You say we're 60th in life expectancy. There's other indicia that you look at, child, infant mortality, maternal mortality, cancer, chronic disease. But by one of these, you know, reasonable metrics. We're 79th in the world in healthcare outcomes. We're behind Mongolia, we're behind Cuba, we're behind Costa Rica.
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When I was a kid, we had the best healthcare system in the world. People came all over the world to see American doctors, but more importantly, that level of healthcare was available to every class of Americans. Oh yeah, we have some good specialists here now, but the care that Americans get when they are sick, if they get any at all, is some of the worst in the world.
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And we have the highest chronic disease burden on earth. Nobody has chronic disease. The COVID epidemic was really a bellwether for us. It was an eye-opener. We had 16% of the COVID deaths in this country. We only have 4.2% of the global population. So why did we have so many COVID deaths?
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Well, one was just terrible mismanagement of the COVID epidemic, including denying people access to therapeutic drugs that were proven to work. But more importantly, we had the highest chronic disease burden. So CDC says... The average American who died from COVID had 3.8 chronic diseases. Yeah. And it was the chronic disease that was killing them. That's right. Obesity, chronic disease.
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Dangling the top of the cliff and then COVID stepped on their fingernails and made them fall. But they were already hanging off the cliff. And, you know, and that's what, you know, nobody is explaining. Anthony Fauci, who was running the system for 50 years, ran it in the ground, was getting all these awards for managing COVID.
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He's never explained how under his watch, allergic diseases, which he directly is in charge of, exploded from essentially zero to, you know, You know, a large percentage of the American population have them now. And, you know, as I said, we spend $4.3 trillion on health care in this country. When my uncle was president, 6% of Americans had chronic disease.
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Now we don't know, but probably around 60%, which is the number you were using.
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But even larger percentage for health care, I think it's 93% of Medicare costs are chronic disease and something like 85% of Medicaid.
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If we can get rid of chronic disease, we can solve our health care crisis in this country, which is also the economic crisis. The second biggest cost to America is the military, which if you include national security and veterans benefits, $1.3 trillion a year. Well, this is $4.3 trillion. So it's basically more than three times what the military costs. It's by far the biggest cost we have.
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We want to reduce the budget deficit. We got to start with this. But even more important is It's highly likely in the next 20 years, we're going to face some catastrophic crisis in our country. It could be an economic meltdown. It could be a war. It could be environmental injuries, catastrophes, whatever. We're America. We can weather any kind of storm. We have our entrepreneurial...
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We have the greatest natural resources in the world. We'll figure out a way around it, what Franklin Roosevelt called America's industrial genius. But as long as you're healthy, we can figure it out. But if you've got a chronic disease or if you're caring for a child with full-blown autism, That reduces your productivity to probably 10 or 20 percent of what it would normally be.
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I think I talked to you about that before that I – because you and I visited Peru together. But I had lived my senior year in high school for half the year I'd lived in Ilave, which is up in the Altiplano in Peru with an Indian tribe, the Aymaras. And it was 14,000 feet. And it really does a lot of weird things to your body and your everything.
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And you will not have you will be soul crushed and destroyed. The key is, you know, the most important key more than our economy or anything else is to get Americans healthy again so that we can be resilient and that we can cope with these kind of crises.
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Yeah, I mean, and I've also read a lot of science on the link between the microbiome and mood and brain and mental health and mental illness. And, you know, it's absolutely, you know, one of the things that I'm doing is one of my kind of Peace Corps initiative is going to be launch a series of wellness centers in communities all over this country, particularly in rural communities.
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We know it's not genes. Genes do not cause epidemics. They can provide a vulnerability, but you need an environmental toxin. Our kids didn't suddenly get lazy. You know, we are mass poisoning our children.
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Today, rural communities, the biggest industry is often prisons. And, you know, prisons is when we get the kids when they're too late. Prisons, suicide, et cetera. So that's when it's too late. What I'm going to do is launch these essentially wellness farms, although I'm doing them in the cities as well. I just toured one the other day in Utah that is just fantastic and so inspiring.
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But they're modeled on a program that I saw in Italy that I visited many times called San Padre Gnano's. And San Padre Gnano's is a farm, 500 acres, It has vineyards. It has a winery where the people who – anybody can go there if you're addicted to drugs or alcohol, and you can go there. You just have to make a five-year commitment, and you go there for free. And you learn a trade.
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So in five years, it sounds like a long time, but we send our kids to college for four years. And this is better than college for a lot of kids. There's no screens there. Oh, there's no cell phones. There's no computers. It's like old school. You need to start talking to other people. And there's not a big medical infrastructure, psychiatrists and everything. It's really...
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You get reparented by your peers. There's codes of conduct. And they grow organic food, very, very good food. They grow their own. You learn to people. Some groups will learn to farm. There's a dog kennel where people learn to train animals and care for them. There's a factory for furniture where people learn that trade. There's an apparel factory.
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There's a wallpaper, hand-painted wallpaper factory. And these are old artisans who teach people under kind of the medieval feudal apprentice system where you apprentice under somebody who's an accomplished artist. They may... They make purses for De La Valle, for Prada, for Gucci. They make some of the best wines in Europe. Their bakery makes some of the finest breads in Tuscany.
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They're famous there, and it's all free. We need to be doing things. You go there, you live in nature, and you get reparented. I was talking the other day to this Olympic skier or snowboarder, gold medal, three-time Olympian, gold medalist, Harbright. And we both came from big families.
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And we were talking about the fact that when, you know, if we were left inside with my brothers and sisters, it was like a Donnybrook. There'd be fistfights. And, you know, we had real fistfights when we were kids. When, you know, my family is railing on each other. Yeah. As soon as they sent us outside, we'd all be best friends again.
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And, you know, there's something about nature that does that, that gets you centered. And it gets you, you know, it gets you back in connection with larger concepts, with, you know, your spirituality. Yeah. And something peaceful. And we need, you know, that's what I hope to do with these arms. Put people in nature. Give them something. You get esteem, self-esteem, by doing esteemable things.
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But just as importantly, to have them raise their own food, organic food, and Christopher Oliver Anthony, who did that famous song about rich men from rich men, is partnering with me on this. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I'm very, very excited about it because we need to start healing this country in so many ways, not only the political divisions, Our children are in crisis.
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We lost 110,000 kids last year to drug overdoses. That's twice that we lost in the 20-year Vietnam War. So, you know, there's a war now on our children. And we need to, you know, we made a big investment in these kids. We need to get them back. And my program is designed to, you know, instead of making foreign wars, We're going to bring the kids home.
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I'm for freedom, Mark, so I'm going to lift the federal regulations against sales of marijuana. The states are doing it all anyway. The federal government ought to be able to tax it. And I'm going to use the taxes from sales of marijuana, which is a drug that to fund a program to actually heal kids from drug addiction, from alcoholism, from suicide and mental illness.
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And eating good food is a critical part of that. And getting people in the habit of eating good food. And I love what you're seeing now in Bolivia, where you're seeing those, you know, the color-coded... You know, the color-coded food labels so people know I'm eating green, I'm eating red, I'm eating blue.
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And to give people of all classes, of all languages, a comprehensible way of saying, I'm going to only feed my kid the good foods. I'm not going to feed him bad foods. And it will incentivize, it uses the economy to incentivize companies to make Food that actually makes you healthier because there's going to be a, you know, we're not going to regulate it.
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We don't need more regulations in this country, but we're going to inform the public. And then we're going to use, I'm going to use the bully pulpit of the presidency, the moral suasion of that to tell people, you know, you're a mom. Your duty, your kid, is to feed them good food. Don't feed them the yellow foods. Don't feed them the red foods.
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I'm going to end pharmaceutical advertising on TV. With the food advertising, you know what I'd like to do, but this will take legislation.
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You eat the Froot Loops and, you know. And you're poisoning your child. So, you know, yeah, warnings. People should have informed choice. And they don't have a choice. They have propaganda. And that's – it essentially is a lie.
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I mean, that's actually something that the Department of Education has an $80 billion budget for. That's one of the things that it ought to be doing is to make sure that school lunches are healthy and that the food that we're giving to kids is directly related to their behavior, to their moods, to their performance in school, and to be able to tell people that you're much more likely to have
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Kids who are in a learning atmosphere, if they're not pumping up on sugar and all of these other poisons between classes that are making them behaviorally, that are ruining their moods, their behavior, and their learning capacity.
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Yeah, I love that idea. I love, you know, the idea of being able to, I mean, to me, Mark, as you know, kids are the biggest, you know, kids ought to be the focus of everything in this country. We shouldn't be, you know, talking so much about going to war in Ukraine.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It's $113 billion we're spending and we've already committed to the Ukraine war and we're, you know, President Biden wants to bring that up to $200 billion. Entire budget for EPA is $12 billion. Entire budget for the CDC is $12 billion.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Imagine if we had that money and instead of spending it on weapons and wars and making war in another country, what if we brought it home and made a war on bad health? Oh, made that the target and made our children healthy again. How much better off America would really be if we were giving kids three meals a day in school? They were good food. And that, you know, we had good education.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
We have, you know... Let's apply the market to our education policies as well and allow charter schools like that. If parents want to send their kids to another school, they ought to have a right to a better school.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Well, I agree with that. I'm going to enlarge AmeriCorps to do exactly that, to give kids another option and to go work on farms and grow organic food and care for the elderly and to get outside and do environmental repair and all of the things that actually make people happy.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
makes them happy, but we all need to stay in good shape. And that's important for not just ourselves, our individual lives, our satisfaction, our relationships with our family, but it's also important for our country to reduce the healthcare costs and to make sure that we're there, that we're in good shape to serve the public and to serve our community.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It's kind of a social obligation to try to keep yourself in shape. But whether you do that Like I do, I hike every day because I want to be outside, and that gets me centered. Then I spend a half an hour in the gym every day, and that, for me, works. For other people, it may be yoga, it may be swimming, it may be running, whatever it is. But you have to be disciplined about it.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Discipline is important. It's how we're not here to be building a big pile for ourselves and whoever dies with the most stuff wins. We're here to build something that's much more enduring than wealth, and that's character. The way that we build character is by making commitments and then keeping them. For me, I don't like going to the gym or I don't enjoy it.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
You know, I don't, it's not something that I look forward to, but I do it every day, whether I want to or not, because I made a commitment to myself and I'm just going to keep that commitment. I, for me, it works to go, to limit it to 30, 35 minutes, because I can never make the excuse. If I had, if I had to go for a full hour a day, there's times where I would say, I just can't do that.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
You can always find 30 minutes, you know, to do something. So I try to, I keep it short deliberately. I go in, I work really hard for 30 minutes and then I get out. And I've been able to do that now for two weeks, I'll be seven years old. So I've been able to do it for most of my adult life. You know, I've done something like that. And, but I think, you know, for me, look, I have seven kids.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I just came back from 10 days of skiing with them, and I'm able to generally keep up with them, and they're all very, very good skiers. I'm going to go.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I've been skiing with you guys. I'm doing a political trip this week to Hawaii, and I'm going to be – my son, Finn, is going to come with me, and we're going to surf together. I can do that. I can go hiking every day. I can do – I can play volleyball with them. Some of my kids like to play tennis, and I can do that.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I can stay on a tennis court with them, and I can be active and keep up with them, and I can go camping. And so I want that in my life. I don't want to be sitting on a couch for the rest of my life, you know, with a remote control in my hand, fighting with my family about what to watch. Because I want to watch the history show and the nature show, and they want to watch something else.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It's not a good thing for me to be sitting there. But being outside is... And being active, you know, for me, it just makes me happy. And, you know, I want to be – I want to watch my kids grow up.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah. And I'll tell you what, Mark. I don't like eating healthy food. I'm going to tell you. I've eaten your food. You're a great cook. But you need – If you don't have a live-in cook, a lot of this stuff, I don't know what it is. I was thinking this before when I was talking to you. Why does this stuff that tastes the best, why is it so bad? Why are Twinkies so bad for you?
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
How did evolution equip us to crave Twinkies and McDonald's french fries and Big Macs? When they're so bad for you, it's, I guess. I can tell you why.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, I talked to you about that one time because I was talking about, you know, I could take a mason jar, a gallon mason jar full of honey, and I could eat it, and then I could do that every day for the rest of my life. And I said, why did evolution hardwire me to want endless amounts of honey if it's not good for you? And you said, well, in the wild when we evolved.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It was really only available on these rare occasions when we stumbled on a beehive, you know, and braved the bees. There was a huge cost to getting the honey because you had to get stung 500 times. But we did it because it tastes good and it's worth it. And it's usually they have that big hive at the end of the, you know, in the autumn, that's when they're maxed out on honey production.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And that's when you want to start storing fat for the weekend, for the winter. So that craving was actually served the biological for the winter. It's a good thing, yeah. Yeah, it was a good thing. But if honey is available every single day of your life, it's not going to be good for you. And the same with sugar. The fruits only were, you know, bloomed.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The only access to sugar was, you know, fruit. The fruit only bloomed, you know, at the end of the summer when you were storing weight again. And you couldn't get it all year. So it's okay to crave it all the time because you couldn't get it. Now that it's available all the time, it's great. It is a problem.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I love that. I love what you're saying about the 10-day sugar detox. And, you know, I'm going to challenge Americans to do that. You know, that sounds like such a good idea. My uncle...
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
When he was president, he came across a letter from a series of correspondence between the commandant of the Marine Corps and Franklin Roosevelt, in which Franklin, or Teddy Roosevelt, this is like 1903, and Teddy Roosevelt was saying, what is the basic physical requirements for a Marine? And the command of the Marine Corps said they have to be able to walk 50 miles a single day.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And I think it was with a 30-pound pack or a 40-pound pack. And so my uncle then sent that correspondence to the current command of the Marine Corps. And he said, can Marines today do that physical accomplishment? And the Marines didn't have that kind of stricture anymore. And my uncle then challenged the country to do a 50-mile walk. And he came to this cabinet meeting and he said,
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The cabinet, he said, at least one of you guys has to do the 50-mile walk. And it was clearly intended for my father, who is the youngest. My father ended up doing it. It was really hard. I ended up doing it when I got out of college. I walked from Boston to Cape Cod. Amazing. It took me 17 and a half hours, and I was really shocked. I was tired. I was almost crying at the end of that walk.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
But I remember I was at Camp David when my father came in, you know, from his 50 mile walk. He walked on the C&O Canal towpath where the mules used to go to tow the barges from Washington, D.C. to Camp David. And when he came in, he had blisters on his feet and he was the most tired I've ever seen him. And I remember my mother massaging his feet. And but, you know, I like that kind of challenge.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
My uncle also did the, you know, the Presidential Council on Physical Fitness. And we had high school and grade school. We would get prizes for work. doing a certain amount of pull-ups. I won the President's Prize on Physical Fitness when I was in, you know, fourth or fifth grade. No, maybe it was fifth and sixth grade. And, you know, it was a challenge.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And he focused on that and got Americans to focus on it. He believed... And America had, you know, we were the home of the free, the land of the brave. We were supposed to be the toughest people on earth. You know, we were American wilderness had made us beef jerky tough. And now we were all getting soft.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And he was really, really distressed at that, you know, this softness that was coming out of America. And if he looked at what we look like today, You know, it would be a catastrophe. He'd just been considered a national catastrophe.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Well, I'm going to get the country back in shape again.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, we'll do it. We'll do a diet challenge. You know, all of these. Toxic exposures that are destroying the health of our kids. I'm going to do everything I can to eliminate them, and I'm going to do it. I might not be able to get every single one of them, but I'm going to start down that path, and I'm going to eliminate a lot of them.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
We're going to have a healthier population very soon after I take the Oval Office.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
But thank you very much, Mark. And thanks for being a champion.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I wish I was trekking with you in Patagonia.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, this is one of the reasons, the key reasons that I ran for president, Mark. to end this chronic disease epidemic and to restore Americans to good health. When my uncle was president in 1960, if you go back and look at his speeches and his thoughts back then, and he was extraordinarily distressed at that point that we were losing ground to Europeans.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And if he could look at Americans today, he would be in shock because we are so sick, as you say. The obesity during his, when he was in office, obesity was at 13%. Today it's at 42%, 45% now. 75% of Americans are overweight. When he was in office, 6% of Americans had chronic disease. By 1986, 11.8%. So it had doubled between 1960 and 1986. It's 26 years. By 2006, it was at 54%.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And we don't really know what the numbers are right now because of the, I would say, purposeful data chaos that comes out of NIH that they will not give us straight ways of measuring baselines, of understanding, you know, why healthcare, why public health is declining so precipitously in our country. And, you know, it's clearly, these are epidemics.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The epidemics, we're seeing epidemics of all these chronic diseases, not only obesity, neurological diseases, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism, all of these diseases that you and I never heard of when we were kids.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Yeah. I mean, autism has gone in 1 in 10,000 in my generation. So 70-year-old men, 1 in 10,000 have full-blown autism. And by that, I mean nonverbal, non-toilet train, stimming, toe walking, hand flapping. You don't see the people like that my age. But according to the CDC, one in every 34 kids looks like that. What's happening? One in 22 boys. Then we have the autoimmune diseases.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It suddenly blew up in the early 90s. Juvenile diabetes, which I never saw when I was a kid. Rheumatoid arthritis, all these exotic diseases like Crohn's disease and lupus. And then the allergic diseases that suddenly appeared at the same time in the mid-90s. Peanut allergies, food allergies. I had anaphylaxis, eczema. Whoever heard of eczema? Nobody. Now, all these kids have it.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
They're all scratching. They all have the rashes. And we have it. They're all medicated. They're taking Adderall. They're taking antidepressants. They're taking Ritalin. They've got their albuterol inhalers in every classroom. They've got EpiPens in every classroom. And, you know, there's a study then. that Congress asked EPA to do. And EPA is a captured agency.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It's captured not by the pharmaceutical industry, and it's not really heavily captured by the agricultural industry because it doesn't really directly regulate those. It's captured by oil and coal and gas and chemical companies. But Congress said to EPA, tell us what year the autism epidemic began.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
So EPA actually did a real study with real science, and the scientists came back and said 1989, that was the change year. So, you know, the challenge is, and if you look at all of these diseases, they follow kind of that same timeline. So what happened in 1989? What happened in the early 90s? We know it's not genes. Genes do not cause epidemics.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It can provide a vulnerability, but you need an environmental toxin. Our kids didn't suddenly get lazy. You know, we are mass poisoning our children. And so you have to figure out a toxin that was introduced and became ubiquitous in the, you know, 1989, the mid-90s. and that affects every demographic from Cubans in Key Biscayne to the Inuit in Alaska and Homer, Alaska.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And there aren't that many candidates One of them is high fructose corn syrup, clearly. All these processed foods that, you know, my generation began eating. I mean, we were eating Hostess Twinkies, by the way. I like Hostess cupcakes. I used to go to the corner store in Queens and get them. I wish I had a dollar for every one of those that I ate before I met you, of course. Yeah.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
i'd still eat them if i could well you're good you listen to me bobby you stopped drinking soda you did a good job you got fitter i actually since i met you 15 years ago you actually are fitter and better shaped than you were back then it's impressive i was drinking nine cokes a day i actually i you know i have this app called days i'll show you that yeah it says
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
3,057 days, that's without a Coke, without any soda.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Encore: Food: The Root Causes of Our Healthcare, Economic and Social Crises with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
It took me a while to get you convinced. That's almost 10 years. And I was drinking a lot of coke. I was drinking like eight or nine cokes a day.
The Excerpt
RFK grilled during contentious hearing
For measles? Um, Probably for measles. What I would say is my opinions about vaccines are irrelevant. I have directed Jay Bhattacharya to the science so that everybody can make that decision. But I don't want to seem like I'm being evasive. Yeah. But I don't think people should be taking advice, medical advice from me. Right, no, I got that.
The Excerpt
RFK grilled during contentious hearing
And I'm not asking you to give them medical advice, but would you vaccinate your child for measles? I think if I answer that question directly, that it will seem like I'm giving advice to other people, and I don't want to be doing that. I want people to make up their mind. But that's kind of your jurisdiction because CDC does give advice.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
510. The Greatest Hits
Yeah, so... We are now the sickest country in the world. We have the highest chronic disease burden in the world. When my uncle was president, I was a 10-year-old boy, about 6% of Americans had chronic illness, and today it's 60%. When my uncle was president, we spent zero in this country on chronic disease. Zero.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
510. The Greatest Hits
Today, and for many chronic diseases, first of all, there weren't even diagnoses and there weren't drugs available. Today, we spend $4.3 trillion. So about 95% of our health budget is the biggest. And it's five times our military costs. It's the biggest item in our budget, and it is the fastest growing. And not only that, it's destroying our country economically, absolutely debilitating it.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
510. The Greatest Hits
All of our other issues are small towards it. If you just measure its economic impact, it has other impacts. 77% of American children are no longer eligible for the military.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
I was a heroin addict for 14 years. I've been 42 years in recovery.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
I've come here today to declare our independence from the tyranny of corruption, which robs us of affordable lives, our belief in the future, and our respect for each other.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
We shouldn't be giving 60 percent of the kids in school processed food that is making them sick.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
That is a pejorative, Senator, that's applied to me, mainly to keep me from asking difficult questions of powerful interest.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
News reports have claimed that I'm anti-vaccine or anti-industry. I am neither. I am pro-safety.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
I didn't say it was deliberately targeted. I just... quoted an NIH-funded, an NIH-published study.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
I will implement President Trump's policies. I serve at his pleasure, but I share President Trump's view that every abortion is a tragedy. My question is...
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
There's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective. Vaccines, that ought to be a free choice.
The Journal.
RFK Jr.'s Nomination Just Got a Shot in the Arm
And there are other studies as well. And I'd love to show those to you.
The Journal.
MAHA Influencers Go to Washington
She said, if we're really going to heal people, if we're healers... We can't just be making our life about billing new procedures. We actually have to figure out new approaches to medicine. And that's the kind of leadership that she's going to bring to our country.
The Journal.
MAHA Influencers Go to Washington
We will remove financial conflicts of interest from our agencies. We will create an honest, unbiased, gold-standard science at HHS, accountable to the president, to Congress, and to the American people.
The Journal.
MAHA Influencers Go to Washington
And we are going to get rid of the dyes, and one by one, we're going to get rid of every ingredient and additive in food that we can legally address.
The Journal.
MAHA Influencers Go to Washington
I'm a lifelong advocate for addressing chronic disease through food.
The Journal.
MAHA Influencers Go to Washington
Mark Hyman says in his book, The 10 Day Sugar Detox, which I'll give a plug to his very good book. He talks about it.
The Journal.
Corporate America's Embrace of Trump 2.0
Trump calling for a boycott of Major League Baseball and threatening Delta Airlines and Coca-Cola after their stand on Georgia's new voting law.
The Journal.
The Fight to Kick Soda Out of Food Stamps
You're much more likely to have Kids who are in a learning atmosphere, if they're not pumping up on sugar and all of these other poisons. We shouldn't be subsidizing people to eat poison. You ask about why it's so cheap, why it's so ubiquitous. It's because we subsidize the worst foods, please.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
The gold standard means real scientific research with replication of studies, which very rarely happens now at NIH. We should be giving at least 20% of the NIH budgets to replication. We should make sure that all the science is published with the raw data. We should make sure that the peer reviews are also published. And I'll give you a quick example.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
20 years ago, NIH scientists did a study on Alzheimer's, which they said it was caused by amyloid plaque. After that, NIH shut down studies of any other hypothesis. 20 years later, we now know that those studies were fraudulent. NIH has funded 800 studies on a fraudulent hypothesis. And we've lost 20 years in figuring out how to cure for Alzheimer's. And that's just one example.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I could give you hundreds. We need to end that. We need to end the old boy system. We need to have replicatable science.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I think the H5N1 virus is.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
Senator, I have no power over that organization. I'm not part of it. I resigned from the board.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I'm supportive of vaccines.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I am supportive of vaccines. I want good science.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
You're asking me to not sue drug companies.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I'm not going to agree to not sue companies or anybody.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I'll comply with all the ethical guidelines.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
You're asking me, Senator, you're asking me not to sue vaccine companies.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I don't think anybody can answer that question, and I didn't answer that question. I said it should be studied along with other potential culprits like social media. But I don't know. I would never make, because there's no science on that.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I don't think you can say that, Senator, because HIPAA rules nobody knows.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
I know people, including members of my family, who've had a much worse time getting off of SSRIs than people have getting off of heroin. The withdrawal period is, I mean, and it's written on the label.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
Do you think physicians, when they make that prescription, ought to have access to good science?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1526 - Democrats Shill For Big Pharma In RFK Jr Confirmation Hearing
That's all I believe, too. And you and I are in agreement, Senator.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
That label was applied to me because I said that the vaccines, the COVID vaccine, didn't prevent transmission. and it wouldn't prevent infection when the government was telling people, Americans, that it would. I was saying that because I was looking at the monkey studies in May of 2020. I was called a conspirator. Now everybody admits it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
I was called a conspiracy theorist because I said red dye caused cancer. And now FDA has acknowledged that and banned it. I was called a conspiracy theorist because I said fluoride lowered IQ. Last week, JAMA published a meta review of 87 studies saying that there's a direct inverse correlation between IQ loss. All right. So I'm going to assume I can go on for about a week.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
because of my peculiar experience, because I've litigated against these agencies. When you litigate against them, you get a PhD in corporate capture and how to unravel it. I've written six books about these agencies. I know a lot about them and I know how to fix it. And there's nobody We'll fix it the way that I do because I'm not scared of vested interest. I don't care.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
I'm not here because I want a position or a job. I have a very good life and a happy family. This is something I don't need. I want to do this because we're going to fix it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Senator, as you know... Because it's been repeatedly debunked, that statement that I made on the Lex Friedman podcast was a fragment of the statement. He asked me, and anybody who actually goes and looks at that podcast will see this. He asked me, are there vaccines that are safe and effective? And I said to him, some of the live virus vaccines are.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
And I said, there are no vaccines that are safe and effective. And I was going to continue for every person. Every medicine has people who are sensitive to them, including vaccines. He interrupted me at that point. I've corrected it many times, including on national TV. You know about this, Senator Wyden. So bringing this up right now is dishonest.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Well, I'll certainly commit to that while I'm secretary. I do want to clarify something because you're making me sound like a shill.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
You're asking me to not sue drug companies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Senator, you're asking me not to sue pharmaceutical companies. No, I am not. Yeah, you are. That's exactly what you're doing.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Senator, I support vaccines. I support the childhood schedule. I will do that. The only thing I want is good science, and that's it.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Senator, there's 91,000 employees. So I take that as a yes. That's a simple yes, and I'm going to take that as a no. I will commit to not firing anybody who's doing their job.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Senator, I have no power over that organization. I'm not part of it. I resign from the board.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
I am supportive of vaccines. I want good science, and I want to protect vaccines.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
President Trump has asked me to end the chronic disease epidemic and make America healthy again.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
President Trump has asked me because I'm in a unique position to end that. And that is what I'm doing. And if we don't solve that problem, Senator, all of the other disputes we have about who's paying and... whether it's insurance companies, whether it's providers, whether it's HMOs, whether it's patients or families, all of those are moving deck chairs around on the Titanic.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
This is an existential threat economically to our military, to our health, to our sense of well-being. And it is a priority for President Trump. And that's why he asked me to run the agency. And if I'm privileged to be confirmed, that's exactly what I'll do.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Well, dual eligibles are not right now served very well under the system. Those are people who are eligible for both Medicaid and Medicare. I suppose my answer to that is to make sure that the
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Well, I'm not exactly sure because I'm not in there.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
Well, Medicaid is not working for Americans, and it's specifically not working for the target population. Most Americans, like myself, I'm on Medicare Advantage, and I'm very happy with it. Most people who are on Medicaid are not happy. The premiums are too high. The deductibles are too high.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
All these Democrats are opposed to me for partisan issues. They used to be my friends. agreed with me on all the environmental issues I've been working on for my whole career. Now they're against me because anything that President Trump does, any decision he makes, has to be lampooned, derided, discredited, marginalized, vilified.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
I don't want to take food away from anybody. If you like a cheeseburger, a McDonald's cheeseburger, a Diet Coke, which my boss loves, you should be able to get them. If you want to eat Hostess Twinkies, you should be able to do that. But you should know what the impacts are on your family and on your health.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
I don't think anybody can answer that question, and I didn't answer that question. I said it should be studied along with other potential culprits like social media. But I don't know. I would never make—because there's no science on that, Senator.
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RFK Jr. Spars with Dem Senators Trying to Smear Him at Confirmation Hearing, with Michael Knowles and Link Lauren | Ep. 994
I don't think you can say that, Senator, because HIPAA rules nobody knows.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Okay. So All of it who told you that knows that that's untrue. And the reason I know he knows it is because I had a conversation with him, which I recorded in 2006, which he admitted that that was a lie. And here's what happened, Megan. In that claim that ethylmercury is quickly excreted from the body,
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
was made originally by Eli Lilly, which developed this thimerosal, the mercury preservative for vaccines in 1932. There was no science that supported them. It literally had no science. But they were all repeating this again and again, like a mantra. And in 2003, a CDC scientist called Pichiero, did a study that seemed to confirm that claim.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And what he did was he measured mercury levels in the blood of children who had been given a thimerosal vaccine. And within a week, the mercury, the ethylmercury in the vaccines all disappeared. Then he gave the same children a tuna fish sandwich. And the ethylmercury from the tuna fish was in their blood 54 days later. That was the half-life.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So his conclusion is, wow, you know, we've been saying this for all these years, and it turns out to be true. And he published that in Pediatrics, and a bunch of scientists, like world authorities on mercury toxicity, like Dr. Boyd Haley from the University of Kentucky, wrote a letter to the journal and said, oh, what happened to the ethyl mercury?
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Because Pigeiro could not find it in the sweat of the children, the feces, the blood, the hair, or the fingernails or the urine. What happened to it? Did it really leave the body? So NIH commissioned a monkey study by one of the famous, iconic scientist, Dr. Thomas Pichiero at University of Seattle in Washington, or University of Washington in Seattle. He took macaques. He did the same thing.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
He gave half of the macaques tuna fish sandwiches. He gave the other half mercury vaccines at the same level that our kids are getting. And he found the same thing that Pigeara did. Within a week, mercury from the vaccine was gone from the blood. The mercury from the tuna was still in those monkeys 54 days later.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
But then when he sacrificed the monkeys, which means he killed them, at a PM, and did mercury content post-mortem of their brains, What he found was that the mercury in the brains of the monkeys who got the ethyl mercury from the vaccines was more than doubled. what the monkeys had who had gotten the tuna fish.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Not only that, but the mercury had metabolized into organic mercury, which is the most toxic form of mercury. And we now know that 27 years later, it is still in the brain, causing inflammation, causing destruction. So it's very clear that ethyl mercury is much worse for your brain than methyl mercury. Why does Paul Offit, Paul Offit told me the same story.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
This is something they repeat and repeat and repeat it, and they all know it's untrue. And that actually, that conversation that I had with him that I taped, and I hope at some time to depose him on, When I said to him, he said, well, Bobby, and, you know, listen, Paul Offit was very sweet to me on the phone. He said, I love your father.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
He said, your father is one of the reasons that inspired me to get into public health, et cetera. So I was inclined to really like Paul Offit. You know, I'm susceptible to that kind of flattery. And then he started saying things to me that I knew weren't true. And I asked him this question.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I said, how is it that the CDC recommends that pregnant women not eat tuna fish sandwiches, and yet they're giving flu shots and other shots, DTP shots, the same women where the mercury is not going to be filtered out by stomach acids or by gastric fluids or the gastric process directly into the blood. And much greater loads than you would get from a dinner for your sandwich.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And he told me that story. He said, Bobby, it's because there's two kinds of mercury. There's a good mercury, which is ethyl mercury in vaccines. And there's a bad mercury, the methyl mercury in fish. And I knew at that time that I was being lied to because I knew a lot about mercury having litigated it, which is like getting a Ph.D.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And I knew that there is no such thing as a good merger and a bad merger. His argument was not with me. It was with the periodic tables. And the periodic tables would beat him. So the fact that he is, and I confronted him. I said, how do you know it leaves? He said, because there's a study by Pichiero. And I said, Dr. Offit, what about the Burbanker study? And there was dead silence.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And then he said to me, and I can play you this tape. He said, you're right, Bobby. The Pigeira study doesn't really prove that. It's a mosaic of studies. And I said, a mosaic? Can you cite any of them? And he said, I'll get back to you. And that's the last I ever heard of Paul Offit. He knows what he was a lie. By the way, mercury is cumulative. And Dr. Offit is right.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
kids have many exposures to mercury. Vaccines are much worse. And we know this because of FDA's own studies, their internal studies that showed that kids by their own regulations are receiving huge amounts of mercury hundreds of times what the EPA maximum safe exposures are repeatedly during childhood from these vaccines. But Paul is right that We're getting mercury from everywhere.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
This was not true in pre-industrial times. It was a source of mercury from the environment, because we were not designed for exposures to all these heavy metals. We're getting them out because there's pollution all around us, and there's dental amalgams, and there's all these other sources. We know that the exposures are cumulative.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Okay, well, you raise a number of issues there. And again, these are all classic industry talking points, but let's take them one at a time. Number one, the mercury was not removed from the vaccines in 2003. It was removed from some of the pediatric vaccines. But at the same time, CDC mandated for the first time, or what they call recommended, but it's effectively a mandate,
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Vaccine flu vaccines for pregnant women and for children and every year of life. All the vaccines that they took out or vaccines they were giving to one, two, three, four times to kids. And now they're giving kids vaccines every single year. And the for the first year. 15 years, 85 to 95% of the flu vaccines had bolus doses of mercury, meaning 25 micrograms, huge doses.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The maximum exposure is one microgram. So they were getting it again and again and again. Furthermore, for the first time, they were recommending flu vaccines to pregnant women. Next. The mercury, when it was taken out of the other vaccines, was replaced with aluminum. And aluminum is also very, very similar, very potent neurotoxin. So now we're giving kids aluminum vaccines.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And in the same wellness visit, you're giving them a mercury flu shot. So, you know. The science on the impacts on autism are unclear. And, you know, anybody who's looked at what CDC and NIH and FDA's behavior during COVID understands that these are industries that are not doing public health. They are doing pharmaceutical profit promotion.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Go out and look at this movie that is now on Netflix or Hulu called Dope Sick.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
FDA conspired with pharmaceutical makers to addict American children to opiates.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And so this is the same FDA and the same companies that are out killing 56,000 kids a year. with opioids, more kids every year than were killed in the 20-year Vietnam War. These are companies that are immoral and are in many cases criminal. Pfizer paid the highest criminal penalties of any corporation in history. These are serial felons.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And they have captured the agency that's supposed to be protecting us from their behavior.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, because I didn't know. Like most American parents, I didn't know. I just believed what my doctor said. I wasn't in this space. I wasn't studying what was happening. If I had to go back, I would not. But here's the thing, Megan, is that, you know, We are to say that kids aren't sick. Explain what happened with autism. You just said it's simply not true that we're just noticing it more.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
You mean we missed it before?
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I hear it all the time. But missing autism is like missing a train wreck. You can't do it. Listen, I was raised. I'll tell you a couple of things. One. We have gone the autism rate, which, you know, the scientists in the 40s and 50s were as smart or smarter than the scientists today. They knew what they were looking at. The first scientist to ever see autism to identify was Leo Kanner in 1934.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And he said, nothing like this has ever been seen before in science and will never be seen again. It was genuinely rare. I was raised in the heart, at the spear tip of the movement to provide people with children with intellectual disabilities rights. My aunt Eunice, who was my godmother, started Special Olympics 10 miles from my home.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I worked there every weekend when I was a kid as a hugger, a coach from when I was eight years old. It was called Camp Driver then. We changed it in 1968 to Special Olympics. Because of my family's immersion, part of our DNA is serving the community of people with intellectual disabilities.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I spent 200 hours during my high school years at Wassaic Home for the Retarded in upstate New York as a helper. I never saw a case of full-blown autism. You know, people back then, you had a quirky uncle or somebody who didn't have social skills. But full-blown autism, we never saw it. We didn't see it in Special Olympics.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
We prided ourselves on being able to accommodate every child, no matter how... debilitating their disability. So even children who are functionally vegetative, we could put them on a platform and have them teach them to push beanbag off onto the ground and people would cheer for them and make it a good event.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The kids today, these kids that we're seeing with autism that are non-verbal, non-toilet trained, screaming, biting, headbanging, violent, Toe walking, stemming. We never saw kids like that in the 60s and 70s. Today, to this day, I have never seen somebody my age, 68 years old, who has full blown autism. Where are they?
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
There's actually a doctor out there who has made that list because you have to... What happened is Congress said to EPA, and by the way, there are many, many studies, including the MIND Institute at UC Davis commissioned by the California legislature, to answer the very question that you just asked, could this be changing diagnostic criteria? Could it be an expanded knowledge of diagnosis?
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The answer they've said persistently one after the other is no. Whoever told you that from the industry knows that this is true.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Exactly. So here's what Congress said. Congress said to EPA, And EPA is not a public health agency. It's not part of HHS. All the other ones are NIH, CDC, and FDA. And they're all in the pocket of pharma. But EPA is in the pocket of the oil industry. But they don't care about pharma. They said, if Congress said to EPA, tell us what year the autism epidemic began.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And the EPA scientists came back and said, it's a red line 1989. What happened in 1989, as you pointed out, we passed the Vaccine Act in 1986. We gave immunity from liability to all the companies. It was a gold rush because suddenly the biggest cost of producing pharmaceuticals and marketing pharmaceuticals, which is downstream liabilities, had been eliminated.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
They also didn't have to do upstream testing. So two of the biggest costs were gone. Plus, they don't have to do advertising and marketing because The product is mandated to 76 million American children. So it's a dream product for them, and they can charge basically anything they want. It was a gold rush, and they added all these new vaccines to the schedule.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And people, when they think of vaccines, think of polio and smallpox and the miracles of eliminating those. But these were, you know, many of these diseases, these diseases were completely unnecessary to vaccinate against. Things like that are not even casually contagious, like hepatitis B that you get from, you know, unprotected sex with, you know, or from using, from sharing needles. Measles.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
To a day old baby. And yet, rotavirus, hepatitis B, all of these other, you know, so-called diseases that are just on the schedule because the vaccine companies can make money from them.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, the MMR vaccine never had mercury in it. Let me just tell you what happened. I'll answer that question, too. Because it's a complex issue, Megan, because the measles vaccine definitely eliminates measles, or close eliminates it.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
There are breakthrough cases. First of all, there's a number of questions you have to ask. Was measles a killer disease? It clearly was at the beginning of the century. In 1963, it was killing only 400 kids a year. Mainly they were kids who had malnutrition or some other devastating comorbidity. A lot of them were black children in the Mississippi Delta.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
This is before we had the poverty programs. And my father went down there and found severe malnutrition like you'd see in Africa or South Asia. Those were the kids who were dying. The death rate was one in 500,000, two in a million. It was very, very small for measles. And the measles vaccine started in 1963. It never had thimerosal in it because it's a live virus vaccine.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
We had, and then in 1999, CDC did a study, an internal study, because of what you said a few minutes ago, that many, all of a sudden, beginning in 89, You know, we went ultimately from three vaccines that I have a kid and I took as a kid to the 72 doses of 16 vaccines that my children had to take. And this began in the 90s.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And in the 90s, people started to seeing this explosion of neurological disorders. And it wasn't just autism. Autism went from one in 10,000 or three in 10,000, depending on what studies you follow. One in 44 kids today. But not only autism, all the neurodevelopmental disorders, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics. I never heard of tics when I was a kid.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
11 brothers, 70 cousins, never knew anybody with tics. Narcolepsy, ASD and autism. The allergic disease suddenly appeared. Peanut, I never knew anybody with a peanut allergy. Why do five of my seven kids have allergies? Eczema. Asthma, which we had, but it's now one in every four black children. We never saw.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Thank you for having me, Megan.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Oh, you talk to anybody who's my age. These are all new diseases. We went. I get it. When Tony Fauci came into office, because this answers your previous question, why don't we say, kid, we are. When Tony Fauci came into office, 6% of American children had chronic disease.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
are many other exposures besides vaccines. Our kids today are swimming around in a toxic soup. And I don't just work on vaccines. I was part of the trial team in the Monsanto case. I work on pesticides. I work on neonicotinoids. I work on PFOAs, PFAs. I was on the trial team that tried the Dark Waters case that Mark Ruff closed now in that movie.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I do EMFs, all of these different exposures that began on the same timeline. Phil Landrigan, who's probably the most famous toxicologist in this country, Mount Sinai in New York, made a list of 11 potential culprits of toxics that became ubiquitous in 1989.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Following that timeline, you have to find something that impacted every demographic in this country the same year, which from Cubans in Biscayne Bay to Inuit in Alaska. There's only a small number of those. And it's very easy. So you can identify them. And he did. One of them, the potential is vaccines.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I think all of them, I think these impacts and what the science shows, all these impacts are cumulative. And our kids today are sick because we are bombarding their immune systems with these toxics that they simply cannot handle. Vaccines is part of that story. And it's probably... in my view, the largest single cause, although all of them are very big.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Now, in 1999, CDC was also alarmed at the same thing that you described with the parents. So they decided to do an internal study of their own database, which is called the Vaccine Safety Data Link. It's the medical records, including the vaccination records, of 10 million kids from the 10 biggest HMOs.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So it's all the cumulative medical records from all those HMOs and they're all housed in one place. And they studied, they said, let's see if these mercury vaccines are causing autism. So they looked at one vaccine. They can look at every vaccine record and they can look at your medical claims to see if you had seizure disorders or allergies, or if you have an autism diagnosis.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
You know, we've gone into 12 separate printings. And so we ran out of books a dozen times. And now they have plenty of books.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
They can do a cluster analysis and they can look for associations. They looked at the hepatitis B vaccine, which is loaded with mercury, during the first 30 days of life. Kids, they looked at kids who got it during the first 30 days. They compared them to kids who did not get it during the first 30 days, who got it later, or didn't get it at all. And here's what they found.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The relative risk of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for 20 years and lung cancer is 10%. This was 11.35. Is that because of thimerosal? From thimerosal. And this is what the story that got me involved because they pushed the panic button and they had a secret meeting. They didn't want to do it on the CDC campus because they thought it would be susceptible to freedom of information requests.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
They did it in a remote Methodist retreat center on the banks of the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia, and it was called Simpsonwood. They had a two-day meeting with 52 individuals, including all the major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies that administer vaccines, WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And the leaders, the leading academic vaccinators, so the people who basically conduct clinical trials and make hundreds of millions of dollars for medical schools around this country. And the first day, and somebody may... recorded that meeting. We don't know why. We don't know if they knew they were being recorded, but I got a hold of the transcripts in 2005, and it is horrific.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
It's a nightmare. Any of your listeners can go to our website, Children's Health Events, and read those transcripts and make up your own mind about what happened. And you see the panjarums of the American healthcare system, these regulators who are supposed to be protecting us. The first day, They're looking at the science and they are saying it's bulletproof. We are causing autism.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
committee hearings by Senator Burton at the government oversight committee. And he found that there was a government and that vaccines do cause autism. So, you know, anybody can go, you know, don't trust me, not listen to anything I say about the science. You shouldn't trust me. You should go do your own research.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And I apologize to that, particularly to your listeners and to you, because my voice is really hard to listen to. I had a very, very unusually strong voice until I was 42 years old, 1996, 1997. I was struck with this condition, which is called spasmodic dystonia. My throat, actually, if you scoped my throat, it would look like a very, very healthy throat. But I have a neurological condition.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And I'll tell you, you know, the research that I'm relying on and you can go make up your own mind. You also should not trust CDC, NIH, The American Association of Pediatrics, or Academy of Pediatrics, which gets 80% of its money from the pharmaceutical industry. FDA gets 45% of its budget from the pharmaceutical industry. CDC spends $4.9 billion of its $12 billion budget.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Go look at the movie Dope Sick.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
You'll answer your own question. The doctors in that movie.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
They were giving their patients and their children opioids because they believed what FDA told them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
What I would say... is there's a small group, and I can tell you the names of the people within CDC, within FDA, and with NIH who know what they're doing and are doing in anybody, but it's a small group. But everybody else, because of the way the medical system works, gets subsumed in that orthodoxy. And it's very much the way that, you know, the Catholic Church reacted to the pedophile scandal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
There was only a handful of priests, relatively, who were raping children. And nine out of 10 priests who weren't, but all of them, the priests, the monsignors, the bishops, the archbishops, all the way up to the Vatican, became trapped in this, subsumed in this orthodoxy that we need, that this institution is so important to children, to peace, all of these other good things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
that the people who are getting injured are collateral damage. How does it happen? And it's exactly the phenomenon that you're talking about. And I think they do a really good job in the movie Dope Sick of showing how good, idealistic, high-minded, patient-oriented doctors are. ended up giving this poison to their patients, to their children, to their family, because they believe the regulators.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So my brain is instructing my voice box to tighten up. And for some reason, nobody really understands it goes in and out. So some days my voice is pretty strong. And other days it's very staggered and kind of difficult to listen to. And today is not a good day for my voice. So again, I apologize to you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And, you know, Americans are- No, I got all that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Let me tell you what the National Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Medicine say. They pull off in all those groups that you talk about, have studied two things. One vaccine, which is the MMR vaccine. They've only done one kind of study.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Epidemiological studies, which are very easy to fix. They don't do bench trials. They don't do animal trials. And they've studied one ingredient in thimerosal. But when we sued them, They admitted that all the vaccines that are given during the first six months of life, the ones that are the only ones that could be related to birth autism, that they've never studied a single one of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So you show me a study of the MMR vaccine, the DTP vaccine, the Hib vaccine, and I'll concede to you, you cannot show me those studies. You can only show me But one study and one kind of study, which is the MMR, and they deliberately restrict it. And by the way, those people, all those studies that you're talking about from all over the world, look who funded them. Two groups or three groups.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Welcome Trust, which is GlaxoSmithKline, the pharmaceutical industry, or NIH. They're being funded by people who are funding them in order to cover up the association, and you can easily design, particularly epidemiological studies, you can conceal the impact to small subgroups of vulnerable populations. And that is epidemiology 101. Everybody knows that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And that's why they do those studies and they don't do other studies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So unfortunately, the people who get the ones without the time aerosol are wealthy people who know to ask the questions. The time aerosol vaccines are sent to poor black neighborhoods where, you know, there's no political power. There's no power for them to ask or to object or to get an alternative. And they're sent by they're sent to 161 million people. children in Africa annually.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So this is an attack on the poor. And listen, I just want to point something out that people should understand. When you hear that the science says this because CDC says it, or because my doctor says it, or because FDA says it, That is a debating technique that is known as a logical fallacy. It's specifically known as appeals to authority.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Oh, instead of showing me the scientific study, which you cannot show me, that shows that flu vaccines save more lives than they cost. You cannot show me a study that shows that. I can show you many studies, and I've written about this. It is on our website. It's in the Dear Sanjay Gupta letter. You can go through each of those studies, and you can link to this study.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
preeminent journals by independent scientists, universities, research centers all over the world. You cannot show me a study that shows that the flu vaccine actually averts more problems than it causes. You cannot show me that study. If you show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Whenever I give a speech, Megan, I always explain it to people because I can't listen to myself. I have never listened to my own podcast. I don't listen to myself on TV or radio because it's disturbing for me to hear my voice. I feel sorry for people who need to listen to it. And I feel like it helps me to give them an explanation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, let me say this. Here is my bottom line. Show me or call all of these guys who you talk to on, you know, pull off it and the other people and ask them to show you a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting poor harm and it's causing. That's all I ask for that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Look at health outcomes. OK, let me can I give you an example?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I would characterize Anthony Fauci as the preeminent architect of agency capture, of the transfer of NIAID and also its parent agency, NIH, from a public health agency to an agency that is primarily concerned with drug promotion, with drug development and drug promotion, and partnering with the pharmaceutical industry on profit-making enterprises.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I would say that that is the least important factor in this problem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Legally, he can make money and he does. We know at least one patent he has. Any product that is developed by NIAID, anybody who works on that product that he designates can get a patent margin rights on that product and entitle them under the federal rules now. to collect $150,000 a year for royalty for life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So he has four of his top employees who each have margin rights, patent rights, royalty rights for the Moderna vaccine. because we paid for it. We put a US taxpayer through Fauci, put in $1.5 billion, now 2.5 billion to develop that vaccine. NIH claims half of the vaccine, to own half of the vaccine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So it stands to make billions and billions of dollars, the agency, but also high-level individuals, influential individuals in the agency, people who are very loyal to Tony Fauci. and get awarded through Fauci the rights to collect lifetime royalties on those products. And they make hundreds and hundreds of products. They develop hundreds and hundreds of products and all of those are potential,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Profit-making enterprises for people, high-level people within NIH.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I think it's power, yeah. You know what, Megan, one of the things I really... I do in the book is to never look into his head and never or Bill Gates' head or any of the other people in the book and say, this is why they're doing it, because I don't know. I don't know what motivates them. What I do in my job is to document their conduct.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And if you look at his conduct time after time after time, he does things that are consistent with making profits for his partners, which are these pharmaceutical companies. and that even at the direct and clear expense of public health.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And by the way, the idea that these monitoring chips are in the vaccines, I have never promoted that and don't believe that to be true. But one of the stories I tell in my book, is that WHO with Gates' influence support participation administered a million vaccines to Kenyan women that designed to sterilize them without their knowledge and against their will, pretending it was a tetanus program.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
that included in the tetanus vaccines without anybody knowing, human gonadotrophic hormones, which interact with tetanus toxoids as essentially a chemical castration drug for women. And he gave that WHO gave that to at least a million women in Kenya, and they had similar programs in Nicaragua and Mexico and the Philippines, which clearly they were doing that, although we don't have the files.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
We got the files from Kenya, so we know what they were doing, and they've admitted it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I would urge you to read this chapter in my book. They've admitted that there was human gonadotropic hormone in that vaccine, which there's no reason it should have been, and then admitted that there were. But if you read my book, you'll read that for 20 years. WHO has been spending tens of millions of dollars developing these sterilization drugs to surreptitiously give women.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Now, you know, this sounds paranoid, but they've published papers on it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
No, no. I'm saying WHO. has paid researchers to find ways to chemically castrate women.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, you know, it's definitely a paradox or an irony because so much of what I do has been on my voice as an attorney, as a public speaker, as somebody who is a voice now kind of for the movement that, you know, I have this particular disability, but, you know, I think any, listen, there's people who have a lot worse disabilities than me. I have a cousin. lost a leg when he was 11 years old.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
All I can tell you is from the papers, it's just saying... These are studies that are developing drugs. They're saying, here's how this works, and we test it on people, and it works. And then when it came time for them to use those products that WHO has spent all those years developing, they gave it to a million women surreptitiously without their knowledge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So if the papers don't say, here's what we're going to do, we're going to sneak up on them and ambush them, The papers say, here's how you develop this vaccine and you hide it in a tetanus vaccine. And then when it actually came time for them to do the program, they did not tell the women. And they were caught by the Catholic Medical Association of Kenya, who noticed that, first of all,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Usually when you give a tetanus vaccine, you only give one dose, and it's good for 10 years. But they were told to give five doses in six months, which made the doctors, the Catholic Medical Association, say something's wrong here. And it was only given to women of childbearing age, women from 14 years old to, I think, 34 years old. which was weird because men also get tetanus.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Earth, there was no tetanus outbreak at that time. That's when the Catholic doctors established it. got a hold of the vials and they tested them in half a dozen different labs. And they all came out, or most of them, not all of them, but most of them came back and said, yeah, they contain this drug.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
You can attack me personally, which is what they do, or ignore the book, but nobody has found a single factual error in my book. The book is 230,000 years of words. It has 2,200 footnotes. Every factual assertion has cited and sourced peer-reviewed publications or to government databases.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And if they want it, if they really believe that I was saying something that was untrue, why not come out and say what it is? And nobody's done that yet.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Have they explained why the HGH was in the vaccine? There's no reason to put it in the vaccine. Initially, they said it's not in there, and now they're saying in the current ones it's not in. But they admitted that it was in the ones that the Catholic Doctors Association tested. And they could not. They said it's in there, but it wasn't put in there to sterilize women. And it's not large enough.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
They spent 20 years studying the inclusion of HGH and tetanus vaccines as a way to sterilize women. Then they included HGH in a tetanus vaccine program that they gave to a million women without telling. Oh, you know, you can connect whatever dots you need to or not.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
My family has been around people, you know, working on disabilities for many, many years. So I, I've never spent even a second feeling sorry for myself or, you know, it's just something that God gave me. I have to figure out what, you know, why is this a gift? Why is this challenge been given to me? And that's, you know, and then to do the best I can and not be deterred by it.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, again, I think it speaks for itself. You know, AZT was horrendously toxic. It was regarded, it was developed originally by the National Cancer Institute as a chemotherapy drug. And it was regarded, it killed all the rats when they gave it to them. So, you know, chemotherapy drugs will kill you. Virtually 100% of them are going to kill you. They're designed to kill human cellular tissue.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The hope is... They will kill the tumor tissue before they kill the rest of you. And so when you give somebody a chemotherapy drug, it's only given for a couple of weeks. And then they look at what's happened to the tumor and what's happening to you. But this drug was regarded as so horrendously toxic that they threw it on the junk pile. And they didn't even patent it.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And then, you know, when AIDS came along, of course, what they do when they find a new virus is they take all of these different compounds and they have petri dishes full of the virus of live colonies. And then they put the, you know, they put a dropper of toxic compound onto the petri dish and see if it kills the virus.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
If it kills the virus, they now have an antiviral drug, but they also have to find out whether it kills the human. And, you know, and with AZT or rats, the AZT was, again, it was regarded as so too toxic to use for a two-week course for chemotherapy. And GlaxoSmithKline found that it did kill HIV virus. And so they, you know, spearheaded this after they were called Burroughs Welcome at that time.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
They spearheaded this effort to get it approved. And Tony Fauci, because he did not know at that point, NIAID had never developed the drug. It won this, it won jurisdiction over AIDS. Originally, the National Cancer Institute, which knows how to develop drugs, that's what they do. They inherited AIDS because the initial signal for AIDS was Kaposi's sarcoma, which is a cancer.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So into the National Cancer Institute, but then when Luke Montagnier said, wait a minute, we found HIV viruses and 47% of the men who have AIDS, maybe the virus is causing the AIDS. Tony Fauci used that to say, this is an infectious disease. It's not caused by toxins. It's an infectious disease. And therefore, it should come to NIAID, National Institute for Allergic and Infectious Diseases.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Unlike National Cancer Institute, he did not know how to develop a drug. So it made him very dependent on GlaxoSmithKline. And that really was the beginning of his permanent association with drug companies. He needed to develop a drug fast. He put GlaxoSmithKline employees and loyalists on all of the committees that approve new drugs or experimental drugs.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And they kept everything out of the competition except for their drug. And then they rushed it through and Tony Fauci helped them rush it through. They used a number of fraudulent tricks to get the drug approved. The drug was killing, AZT was killing everybody who took it in the study group.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And what Fauci did and Burroughs Wellcome did is they started giving the people they were giving AZT, they started giving them blood transfusions to keep them alive. And when you give somebody a blood transfusion, when their body is filled with toxic chemicals, it makes them healthier and longer-lived.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And the only reason those people survived a six-week drug trial was because they were getting these transfusions. And then he got the drug approved on very, very little evidence. and clear, clear safety signals. And that drug, you know, according to critics killed 330,000 people over the next 10 years.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
It's not something I would complain about.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, NIAID, you know, one of the things I talk about is the history of both CDC and NIAID by the middle of the 20th century. Epidemic infectious diseases, death, mortality from infectious disease had essentially disappeared. And it disappeared not because of vaccines, as is now claimed,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
It disappeared primarily because of nutrition, better nutrition, better sanitation, chlorinated water, electric refrigerators, road systems, reductions in overcrowding. And the reason I say this is not that you should believe me, but the CDC studied this question in the year 2000. along with Johns Hopkins.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
What they concluded is that vaccines had practically, had virtually nothing to do with this profound reduction in mortality from infectious diseases. The disease were disappearing. Not the disease themselves. People were still getting measles. They just weren't dying from it. But the mortalities had disappeared because of these engineering improvements.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And what was happening at CDC and NIAID is they were losing relevance because very small numbers of Americans were dying from infectious disease. And the Reagan administration and its budget director in 1982, David Stockman, were actually publicly saying that we should abolish CDC. And
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
You know, as I point out the book, there was memos going around saying we need to figure out infectious diseases to make ourselves relevant again. And so, you know, what I show is that there's a series of fake pandemics that were done in 1976, right after Tony Fauci came to NIAID. There was a swine flu epidemic, another bird flu epidemic that was fake in 2005. I think only one person died.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
There was a fake swine flu epidemic in 2009 each time. They gave the vaccine companies immunity from liability and they sold tens of millions of dollars worth of vaccine, unnecessary vaccines, many of them caused profound impacts. And then the Zika pandemic was a fake pandemic. Tony Fauci was claiming, that Zyka caused microcephaly, which is a smaller head.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Yeah, I think that's right. He would, if you whined around him, he would come into the house, clapping his hands, said, there are no whiners in this house. There's no complaining in this house. And, you know, we were reminded growing up time after time that we were very, very fortunate. Compared to 99% of humanity, we had a very, very cushy existence. And, you know, none of us really had a
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And he alarmed and caused panic around the country. People were terrified. They were advising women not to get pregnant. Zyka was coming to America. Somebody from his agency actually made a March Madness chart of all the funny pandemics that he has been
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
drumming up over the years and of the the triumph on his covet on that then i reprint that in my book and his signature is at the bottom of the page oh you know that was it's a um it's something that they've done again and again and again over time that it may makes uh that agency relevant
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
What do you mean fake? There were people dying of COVID-19 all over the world. It was a pandemic. It was a genuine pandemic.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I have another book about to come out called Wuhan Cover-Up. And it shows that Dr. Fauci, along with other people with DITRA, with the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, with the CIA through USAID, was pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into the enterprise developed pandemic superbugs that could cause pandemics.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And they were keeping them in areas that they all knew they were certain to escape. So, you know, and there's memo after memo after memo that says that Wuhan lab is, you know, is a place where, first of all, the bugs were escaping from all their labs at Galveston, at North Carolina, I think, His biggest fundee, Ralph Baric, had eight or 10 escapes.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And she gave him 147 grants, separate grants, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I'll tell you why. I mean, I can explain why. Again, I can explain the chronology, and I can explain some of the possible motivations. We had signed, Nixon had signed the Biological Weapons Convention in 1972 that made it illegal to handle, store, or develop any kind of biological weapons. But there was a loophole in it.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And the loophole said, if it's a dual-use research, you can do that, meaning if it's defensive. A lot of the research that you use to develop bio weapons is identical to the research that you use to develop a vaccine, or it can be.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And so the Pentagon wanted to start doing this kind of research, but it was worried that the public would not believe that the Pentagon was doing all of this bio weapons research in order to develop vaccines. It just didn't seem plausible.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So they outsourced it to Tony Fauci, and they gave him a 68% raise, which is one of the reasons today he is the highest paid person in the history of the federal government. He makes $434,000 a year, and the president only makes $400,000. So he gets more than the president or the vice president. And a lot of that is money that's coming from his military bioweapons function. Yes.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
right to complain about anything. And I, you know, I think it's a better way to live to just say, I think you're not going to complain. I think self-pity is crippling to people.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
He began, they began pumping 1.7 billion into, he already has a $6.1 billion budget. On top of that, they gave him 1.7 billion to begin developing bioweapons. That is now at 2.2 billion a year. And he then distributes that to different labs, you know, around the country. And in 2014, Three of the bugs escaped. Three bugs from US labs escaped.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Dangerous blood bugs were found in very, very dangerous places, including smallpox. And 300 leading bioweapons experts, including Mark Lipsitch of Harvard and Richard Ebright from Rutgers, are kind of the leading voices in that space, signed a petition, 300 people, to Obama asking Obama to shut down Tony Fauci's experiments because they feared that he would release a pandemic.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And the Obama administration issued a cease and desist order to Tony Fauci. He defied the order and he continued doing the experiments at Ralph Baric's labs, which were the worst experiments. Because he was developing, he was engineering these gain-of-function bugs in ways that nobody had ever devised before.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
But he moved a lot of his operations to Wuhan, where they would be out of sight of the White House. And he laundered the money through this zoologist called Peter Daszak.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
But at the same time, He was giving millions of dollars every year, but the big money was coming from USAID, which is a well-known as a CIA front group. And from Deetra, the defense production agency, as well as millions of dollars from BARDA and ARPA, which are all connected to the U.S. military.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Yeah. So then they began, you know, the Chinese were already doing these kind of studies and they But Fauci had been doing them since 2002. He had funded a study by a scientist called Kuo where they had taken a mouse virus and made it so it could not infect mice, but it would infect and kill cats. It was a gift to the mouse community.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
But in doing that, he had proven that you could do these cross, engineer these cross species transmission and people were really freaked out about it. And they did a lot of other sketchy experiments. He ended up in China. The Chinese government, what, you know, the U.S. government was saying, we're not really doing weapons development. We're really doing vaccine development.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The lead scientist was Xing Lei Ji, who was called the Bat Lady. Yep. Ralph Baric, who is Fauci's favorite funder from the University of North Carolina, started exchanging examples with her of spike proteins and teaching her and working with her about how to remove the spike protein that affected rat bats.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And build a spike protein that had this fur and cleave site that could attach to human lung cell. And then they tested it. They were breeding mice, humanized mice that had human lungs. And they would give it to the mice, not only to see if they could kill the mice and infect them, but also to see if they could get the mice to cough and infect each other. And they succeeded in doing that.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And then he did something, you know, but Tony Fauci can still say what I'm doing is for medical purposes, we're developing these things and then we're going to develop defenses against them. He funded one study that put the lie to all of that. He funded Ralph Barrett to develop a technique called seamless ligation. And that is a technique for hiding the engineering project.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So you could normally, when you do that kind of engineering, you can see it and you can say that bug was created in a lab. He developed a way of hiding all traces that it was developed. And he taught that to the Chinese scientists, to Xing Lizhi. And that, you know, there is no public health. It is the opposite of what you would do if you were interested in public health. It's the opposite.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
If you're interested in public health, you would make sure that any kind of tampering you did like that had red flags all over it that says, we made this thing. To teach people how to hide that only has a nefarious purpose.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Again, Megan, I don't look into his head. I just show what the facts are. He was getting the money. He was doing these experiments. And I can show that he knew that something had to escape this lab because not only, but Ralph Barrett's lab is famous as the most Protect the best protocols way beyond federal protocols, way beyond any protocols they use in the world. Ralph Baric is famous.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
He brags about it. Other people brag about it. And yet on his lab, He had at least a half a dozen escapes. You know, mice that were infected bit people and infected them, et cetera. So there was a lot of disasters. So they knew the Chinese labs, the Chinese weren't even using their BSL-4 lab, which is the highest level. They were making these things in BSL-2 labs.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The State Department was writing letters. The embassy officials wrote, in China, inspected the lab and wrote these alarm letters saying there's no protocols here, there's no personnel, there's no safety. We know something's going to escape. And every lab there's escapes from. And this lab was clear. And so if you're a guy with a long history of taking part in fabricating pandemics,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, I don't think that anybody ever got to their deathbed and said, you know, I wish I had spent more time complaining. I think there's a one of the things that I found out during my early sobriety is really a technique that was a gift to me was that gratitude was a choice.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I guess it's plausible that one way of creating a real pandemic would be to do a lot of these experiments in a lot of different places where you know something is bound to escape. I'm not saying he did that because I cannot look into his head. And I'm saying it's the consideration that We know that he knew there were improper safety protocols.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I agree with that. And I withdraw that. And I didn't say that. I think if you replay the tape that I said, it's plausible to imagine that this might happen. But again, I withdraw it. And it's something that I don't do in the book. I don't expect to play. I just tell the facts. Can I ask you a question?
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Yeah, Megan, it's also noteworthy that... All of those people on that telephone call were receiving, were doing work at the Wuhan lab or were receiving money from Tony Fauci from NIH that, you know, and not just a little money, tens of millions of dollars and more.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Or from Wellcome Trust, which is the... David Gellman, Ph.D. : British version of the gates foundation, and you know it's kind of a I know I almost I functions as an arm of. David Gellman, Ph.D. : The pharmaceutical industry it's it's essentially the galactic Smith Klein stock portfolio and and even more interesting.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
almost all the key players on that phone call who then took part in creating all of this literature out there that characterized suggestions of Labley as crackpot conspiracy theories. I got thrown off of Instagram for saying that Congress should investigate this. Virtually all of them following Labley Their publications in The Lancet and Nature Medicine received huge, huge grants from Tony Fauci.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And that, you know, my inclination, I think the inclination of most people is not to be grateful, but to wake up every day with a sense of impending doom and then, you know, to look for reasons to be discontent. And it's really about the way that we process reality. You could have two people who are doing this, who are shoveling manure
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I mean, grants of $30 million, $40 million, I think up to $60 million. Kristen Anderson, I don't remember exactly what he got, but it could have been as high as $60 million spent after he performed that very, very important task. or the medical cartel and the orthodoxy.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Yeah, I mean, people ask, how do you fix this? And, you know, that's what you need. You need an independent regulator. We need regulators that are not getting money from pharma, that are not, you know, doing pharma bidding, but are really working for public health and the American people that are using real science.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Listen, you can go in the, you can go on the public health records or Kaiser, the HMO records. If let's say you're a young person
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
associate professor at ucla medical school you want to do a publication an easy publication would do get a hold of the kaiser permanente medical records a depersonalized version so you can't tell who the people are and then look at the vaccine records and look at associations with subsequent diagnoses for autism or add or or peanut allergies
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
If you try to do a study, propose a study, like an NIH is going to find out they fund everything. And it's likely that the dean of your medical school will get a call from You walk in class or, you know, one of Tony Fauci's other operatives saying, you know, don't let this don't let this clown do this study or.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
It's going to put 50 or 60 or 100 million dollars in annual funding from NIH to your medical school in jeopardy. Oh, you know, between Hammond Gates and welcome tries, Jeremy Farrar, who is up to his neck in Wuhan. They provide 64% of the biomedical research on the planet. If you are a young researcher, a scientist, a professor at a medical school,
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
They have the capacity not only to make your career, but also to ruin it. And that's the way that they control not only the scientific studies that get done, but also the outcome of all those studies across the planet. And, you know, what Fauci has done, what he's supposed to do, that kind of studies.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Instead, what he does is he spends the bulk of his budget developing medications, which they then farm out to the university to do phase one, phase two, and phase three trials. And the university could make $100 million on one of those trials. Plus, it gets royalty rights to the drug they're developing. So NIAID takes royalty rights. The university takes royalty rights.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
The principal investigator who is the professor at the university who's running the clinical trial, recruiting the volunteers, he may get $15,000 a volunteer in grant money and then he gets royalty rights. And then the pharmaceutical industry comes in for the phase three And they then own the bulk of the patent, but they're sharing royalty rights with all these other players.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So everybody is now corrupted. Everybody is making money on this drug. And the people who are supposed to be telling us, does the drug actually benefit people? Or is it just making money for pharma? Those people don't exist.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And one of them could be whistling and laughing, and the other one could be grumbling and cursing. And it all is taking place inside our own heads. How do we choose to practice? to process our reality. Do we choose to look at the glass half empty or glass full? Every day of my life, I make a gratitude list. I just list a lot of banal things like orange juice, antibiotics, and air conditioning.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Yeah, because if you look at how these drugs get approved and recommended, they're not actually being approved by people who work at FDA, by FDA employees. There are committees. One of them is called the VRBAC Committee inside of FDA, and then the ACIP Committee and CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. And the FDA committee approves the drug, and then the CDC committee recommends it.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
But they're not made up of employees of those agencies. They're recruited from outside of those agencies, and almost all of them are recruited from the pharmaceutical industry or They're academic investigators who are funded by Tony Fauci. Tony Fauci gives away, with his military budget, he gives away a total of about $7.7 billion a year or more, maybe $8 billion now. NIH gives away $42 billion.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And Tony Fauci has a lot to say about where that money goes. So it's just...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, you know, it's again, it's hard to explain. It's sort of bewildering to explain why are they, even when they know that the vaccines do not prevent transmission, the vaccines do not prevent people from getting the disease.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Is there this single-minded obsession with forcibly vaccinating people with an experimental product?
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And yeah, I mean, people who really, who get no benefit from the vaccine, it doesn't make any sense. And There's a number of suppositions about why they're doing this, and that's one of them. I mean, it's a product that doesn't work. It's a product that, you know, you get it three times.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
That's what they say. And I don't know whether that's true or not. I know that, I mean, Tony Fauci has been at it The two claims they made from the vaccine at the outset to justify the program was to prevent you from getting sick and preventing transmission and therefore ending the pandemic. Those are not true. It doesn't work against transmission.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
It does not reduce it at all as far as the science is concerned.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Yeah, I mean, you may be right about that. I'd have to go back and look at the data.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
but right now i mean we're not dealing with the new variant it doesn't work against transmission it doesn't work against delta and we know i know it doesn't work against delta because the philippine studies that show that you have an equal viral road and tony fauci has admitted that so i don't know and i can't say and i think we're going to find out over time hopefully whether it actually does function in the way you know that we hope it does to prevent on vaccine injury and death
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
glass on the windows, the things that generations, 20,000 generations of humanity never had those things. We live like gods compared to most of the human beings in history, even the most unfortunate American today. And so we can either choose to be about those things or we can, you know, choose to be anxious.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
I'll say, explain to your listeners, People wonder why did we need to suppress ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine? These are well-established drugs with well-established safety profiles that have got billions of doses have been given. Ivermectin is a human drug. It also works on horses, but it won the Nobel Prize because it works so well on human beings. Tony Fauci's problem is this.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
There's a little-known federal law that says you cannot give an emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is any medication approved for any purpose that is shown effective against the target disease.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
So if Tony Fauci or anybody had admitted that hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin are effective against COVID, it would have been illegal for them to give the emergency use authorizations to the vaccines. And they could never have gotten them approved. And it would have been a $200 billion enterprise that would have collapsed.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, the medical community, a lot of it was saying that. I who signed a petition. And there are so many peer-reviewed publications now that consistently say that, but he had to aggressively crusade against it to kind of drown out those reports by saying it's a horse medication. People are taking it and it's dangerous and it's overdosing people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, one, even if you have the emergency use authorization, the law appears to say you can't have it anymore if there's a functioning medication. Oh, you know, that may be why. Again, I try not to look in his head, but I do. There's a very, very strong incentive. or him to kill ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And you know, there are many doctors, including Harvey Breach of Yale, who is one of the leading biostatisticians epidemiologists in the world. Peter McCulloch, who is the most published doctor in the history of the world in his specialty.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Pierre Corey, these doctors who have treated tens of thousands of COVID patients successfully, they consistently say, and the science supports this, that half a million Americans did not need to die.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And, you know, it was a revelation to me to learn, to realize that that was a choice and it was my condition that was, you know, that was imposed upon us.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, my spouse is generally rooting for me, but I want to say this. I encourage Cheryl to publish that statement. In fact, I asked her to do a statement that was much tougher than that. Really? Which, yes, because... And I'm glad she didn't. I'm very glad she didn't. But I actually gave her language that was much, much tougher than that because she needed to distance herself from me.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
My job as her husband is to protect her. And the arrows and the bullets that were being slung at me were hitting her. My activities... The jeopardizing this thing that this incredible person put together was just, I felt like my job is to protect her and I was doing the opposite of my job. So my heart was breaking.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And I was, you know, I would have taken any blow to make sure that she could distance herself from me.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Well, I have never been anti-vaccine. That is a pejorative that's applied to me in order to marginalize me and silence me. And as you point out, have people dismiss me as somebody who's irrational or crazy. What I've said is we should have safe vaccines. We should have good, robust science.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
We should have regulators that are independent of the pharmaceutical industry that is profiteering on the vaccines. I started doing this for trying to get mercury out of the vaccines. And I spent, and that was real, I was very focused on that issue because mercury clearly is neurotoxin. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of studies that show that it is devastating.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
It causes a dramatic IQ loss. It damages every organ. It causes all kinds of brain damage and that there's no safe level of mercury exposure. The idea that we would be injecting mercury directly into babies, I was assuming at that time, this is 2005, I had lawsuits against, I think, 39 coal-burning power plants and cement kilns for discharging mercury from the stacks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
Mercury was getting precipitating out of the rainfall, getting into our fish. FDA did a study in 2003 that showed that every freshwater fish in America had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh.
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Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
And, you know, it occurred to me that we were living a science fiction nightmare where my children and the children of every other American could now no longer engage in the seminal primal activity of American youth, which is to go fishing with their mom or dad at a local fishing home and come home and safely eat the fish. Oh, I've been trying for 17 years to get the mercury out of the vaccines.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
It's out of many American vaccines. We're still giving it to every African child. And it's still in the flu shots, which are given to pregnant women, which is insane. But, you know, I spent 35 years trying to get mercury out of the fish. And nobody called me anti-fish. So I'm trying to get mercury out of the vaccines. It doesn't make me anti-vaccine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma
If the vaccine works, I'd be the first one to take it. And I took flu vaccines for 20 years every year. All my children are fully vaccinated.
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Zachary Levi on RFK and Tulsi Bringing Him to Trump, Secrets of Hollywood, and How God Saved His Life | Ep. 1010
Yeah. 20 years, I've gotten up every morning on my knees and prayed that God would put me in a position where I can end the childhood chronic disease epidemic in this country. On August 23rd of last year, And God sent me President Trump. And he gave me Mr. President. A lot of people told me that I couldn't trust President Trump. I better get it in writing.
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Zachary Levi on RFK and Tulsi Bringing Him to Trump, Secrets of Hollywood, and How God Saved His Life | Ep. 1010
And we did a handshake and everything that he told me he was going to do, he has done. And I'm so grateful to him. And I've told you before, I genuinely believe that you are a pivotal historical figure. And you are going to transform this country.
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Zachary Levi on RFK and Tulsi Bringing Him to Trump, Secrets of Hollywood, and How God Saved His Life | Ep. 1010
What a moment. Yeah.
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Zachary Levi on RFK and Tulsi Bringing Him to Trump, Secrets of Hollywood, and How God Saved His Life | Ep. 1010
We will convene representatives of all viewpoints to study the causes for the drastic rise in chronic disease. Some of the possible factors we will investigate were formally taboo or insufficiently scrutinized. A childhood vaccine schedule, electromagnetic radiation, glyphosate, other pesticides.
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Zachary Levi on RFK and Tulsi Bringing Him to Trump, Secrets of Hollywood, and How God Saved His Life | Ep. 1010
Ultra processed foods, artificial food allergies, SSRI and other psychiatric drugs, PFAs, PFOAs, microplastics. Nothing is going to be off limits.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It's a mission. So good.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
We have a problem with all of our borders. But a lot of people forget the U.S.-Canadian border is the longest land border between any two countries in the world. So it's not just Blaine to Maine. It's also the western frontier of Canada and the eastern side of Alaska. We have porous borders or have had porous borders all around. And it's not just the southwest border. It's the northern border.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And it's our ports of entry, especially on the waterways.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
This whole crisis really got going only 15 years ago. This is a real recent deal. And we have to understand it really starts in the United States with the Purdue Pharma crisis and scandal. Yes. Bad, bad actors.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
We had millions of people on prescriptions. We had hundreds of thousands addicted. And when all the lawsuits happened and all the prescriptions stopped getting handed out, doled out, what happened was the Mexican cartels with China backfilled that supply in as quick as 90 days. They're horrible people, horrible actors. But they're incredible entrepreneurs.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And they saw a market that was now not being served. And they came in and backfilled it immediately. And I think, and I went to China for three weeks on the movie, both research and shooting. And I think in the beginning for China, it was about the money in the very, very beginning.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But now they've realized they can make money, not spend any of their own and destabilize their number one adversary while making money. And so they had this unholy alliance between the Chinese Communist Party and the Mexican cartels. And now it's moved up to Canada. And now you have the biker gangs in Canada backfilling with the biker gangs.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
They're starting to backfill what the Mexican cartels were starting to do at the beginning.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And what we're starting to see now is vitals getting mixed with so many different things like, of course, tranquilizer, even meth. And so you have a high and a downer at the same thing, and it's really wreaking havoc on your heart. What we have to think about is things like Narcan are purely a short-term fix. It will not fix the long run. It will not fix the intermediate.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Unless we start thinking about treatment and recovery and not getting addicted in the first place, Narcan will just postpone the death to another day unless you start getting the treatment and the recovery going again. And in the United States, we have really made it easy to get high and hard to get treatment rather than making it easy to get treatment and hard to get high.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Think about this case with blessing that Billy and I saw. We had four firemen arrive. We had two EMS arrive. We had two sheriff people arrive. We had three local downtown ambassadors arrive. These are all taxpayer funded people. And they worked on him, got him alive enough, and then he refused treatment. He refused going.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And so that's why places like John Hopkins in Baltimore has a program with the Helping Up Mission, and they're working together. So you have a secular university and a faith-based Christian mission working together, and they're having phenomenal success. So we know how to do this, and we know how to do it right together. But it takes time.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
You're not going to take somebody who's been addicted to drugs for 20 years and do it in a 28-day program or a 14-day program. You need multiple months.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But in the end, it's much more cost-effective to get success in real treatment and real recovery than the short-term expenses of Band-Aids that are the police department, the fire department, emergency room, emergency department, and the court systems.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
There's a huge difference between medical grade fentanyl, like a cancer patch for stage three, stage four cancer patients, or the lollipop post-surgery, or candidly, medical fentanyl has made heart surgery possible. I mean, it's perfect because it slows your heart rate down, it slows your breathing down. So fentanyl for open heart surgery is critical.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But the difference is when you're in those situations, they're highly regulated, and the dosing is very, very precise and done with precision. And when you're in a medical situation, you have multiple people monitoring you. The problem with street-level fentanyl, illicit fentanyl that's on the street— There is no regulation, and so they make this batch not in a white-glove lab.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It's done in a jungle, a back alley, a burnout bus, and you don't know what you're getting. It's a mix. It's not equal at the same time. You might get part of the batch that has a lot of fentanyl, and the other part has none of it. And so street-level illicit fentanyl is totally different than the fentanyl you get in a hospital.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
We have some people from Seattle in our documentary who address this. They say if you were to go on a bridge and say you're going to commit suicide and get ready to jump and somebody calls 911 or you get one of those bridge phones that they call, the police come, they don't just sit there and take you off the bridge and say, well, are you okay? You promised not to jump.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
We'll leave you right there and then roll on. They take you there. Why is that not different with fentanyl? Because we know fentanyl is so deadly now. You will not meet somebody who is a fentanyl addict that's been on fentanyl for over 18 months. Most addicts die within eight or nine months. A few will make it out to 18 months. So why would we not treat you like a jumper?
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Why wouldn't we treat you like we need to take you in? We need medical detox because that's the only way you're going to get down. And after you go... And we're not talking years of holding. We're talking five, six, seven, eight, nine days. Get past that medical recovery and then have an honest conversation, a clear-headed conversation about what do we need to do for treatment and recovery.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Because Billy and I have gone in multiple cities around this country with police departments, and we roll up. on these fentanyl deaths, they're literally dead on the street, and they get them recovered, they get them back, and they refuse to go in and treatment. And they're not in a place mentally to make a clean-headed decision to say, I want to go in for treatment.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And you had Tom Wolfe there in the bumper right up in the front there. 70% of all street-level drugs now have some part of fentanyl in it. And when you're talking about two grains of salt equivalent can kill anybody, or one grain of rice can kill 15 people of equivalent of fentanyl. So we have to realize how potent these drugs are, especially fentanyl.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And the idea that we legalized fentanyl across large, many states across the country legalized fentanyl, either by statute and said, we're no longer going to prosecute or by prosecutors choosing not to prosecute. The good news is even in states like California, this was sort of lost in the presidential election.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But the voters of California voted to override the California legislature and say, we're now going to start recriminalizing high-end and high-volume, really potent drugs and high-volume drugs. And the citizens of California overrode their legislature two to one, saying, we want to get back and recriminalize this. This idea of misdemeanor regulation.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
or saying we're never going to prosecute for something as powerful as fentanyl. It was nutty. I know it may have been well-intended, but it did not work.
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It will be coming out Warner Brothers is our partner in this project and they'll be be able to see it streaming this coming summer and Warner Brothers will be pushing it out on multiple platforms.
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CBS vs. Free Speech, Elon Baby Drama, and Shocking Plane Crash, with Michael Knowles, Matt Taibbi, and Walter Kirn | Ep. 1009
Now, I find it ironic, of course, that our chairwoman, Congresswoman Greene, is in charge of running this committee. Now, in the last Congress, Chairwoman Greene literally showed a dick pic in our oversight congressional hearing. So I thought I'd bring one as well. Now, this, of course, we know is President Elon Musk. He's also the world's richest man.
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CBS vs. Free Speech, Elon Baby Drama, and Shocking Plane Crash, with Michael Knowles, Matt Taibbi, and Walter Kirn | Ep. 1009
He was the biggest political donor in the last election. He has billions of dollars in conflicts of interest. And we know that he is leading a power grab also abided by and encouraged by Donald Trump and, of course, the chairwoman, Congresswoman Greene.
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CBS vs. Free Speech, Elon Baby Drama, and Shocking Plane Crash, with Michael Knowles, Matt Taibbi, and Walter Kirn | Ep. 1009
Well, he is a dick.
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Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito | Ep. 1001
Should I be so privileged as to be confirmed, we will make sure our tax dollars support healthy foods. We will scrutinize the chemical additives in our food supply. We will remove financial conflicts of interest from our agencies. We will create an honest, unbiased, gold standard science at HHS accountable to the president, to Congress, and to the American people.
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Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito | Ep. 1001
We will reverse the chronic disease epidemic and put the nation back on the road to good health.
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Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito | Ep. 1001
He and I would have an unprecedentedly close, collaborative working relationship. We will meet or speak multiple times a month. He will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommendations without changes. CDC will not remove statements on their website pointing out. that vaccines do not cause autism.
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Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito | Ep. 1001
But my support is built on insurances that this will not have to be a concern and that he and I can work together to build an agenda to make America healthy again.
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Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
A few hours after the assassination attempt at Butler, I got a call from a safe food advocate named Kelly Means. He'd been advising me for many years and on my campaign. And he told me that night that he was also advising President Trump. And he asked if I would talk to President Trump. And I said, of course.
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Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And we talked about not about the things that separate us because we don't agree on everything, but on the values and the issues that bind us together. And one of the issues that he talked about was having safe food and ending the chronic disease epidemic.
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Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Science and democracy were born together during the Enlightenment, and they share the same ideals for openness, for public access, and for transparency.
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Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
In the U.S., six out of every 10 adults die of at least one chronic disease and four in 10 have two or more. Asthma and autoimmune diseases are far more common in the US than in any other part of the world. Autism now affects one in every 36 kids.
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Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Our only solution to these issues seems to be more and more pharmaceutical interventions that don't seem to be alleviating the problem and in many cases appear to be worsening it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Whatever belief or suspicion I have expressed in the past, I'm willing to subject them all to the scrutiny of unbiased science. That is gonna be our template.
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Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
Do you feel you've been abandoned?
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Bombshell New Info About Garcia, Boasberg’s Attempted Power Grab, RFK's Autism Fight: AM Update 4/17
One of the things that I think we need to move away from today is this ideology that the autism prevalence increases, the relentless increases. are simply artifacts of better diagnoses, but this epidemic denial has become a feature in the mainstream media, and it's based on an industry canard.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bombshell New Info About Garcia, Boasberg’s Attempted Power Grab, RFK's Autism Fight: AM Update 4/17
Obviously, there are people who don't want us to look at environmental exposures, and why are we not seeing it in older people? Why is this only happening in young people? Anybody can look around and see that this is a canard. Why is it so pervasive? Why has it been thrown up against us for so many years? Clearly, there are industries.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bombshell New Info About Garcia, Boasberg’s Attempted Power Grab, RFK's Autism Fight: AM Update 4/17
This is coming from an environmental toxin, and somebody made a profit by putting that environmental toxin into our air, our water, our medicines, our food.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bombshell New Info About Garcia, Boasberg’s Attempted Power Grab, RFK's Autism Fight: AM Update 4/17
This is a preventable disease. We know it's an environmental exposure. It has to be. Genes do not cause epidemics. They can provide a vulnerability. You need an environmental toxin.
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Bombshell New Info About Garcia, Boasberg’s Attempted Power Grab, RFK's Autism Fight: AM Update 4/17
And Irva Herzpachota pointed out that because of this mythology, that the amount of money and resources put into studying genetic causes, which is a dead end, has been historically 10 to 20 times the amount spent by NIH and other agencies. to study environmental factors, to study exposures, to study external factors, and that's where we're going to find the answer.
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Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
America's Philistine president has had himself appointed head of one of our premier cultural institutions. He has cut funding and support to the arts, humanities, and education. And now he has announced a 100% tariff on films produced outside the U.S. Let that sink in for a minute. You can't put a price on creativity, but apparently you can put a tariff on it. Of course, this is unacceptable.
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Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
All these attacks are unacceptable. And this isn't just an American problem, it's a global one.
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RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
We won't solve this problem by throwing more money at it. We must spend smarter. We will shift funding away from bureaucracy toward direct impact. We will address nutrition, physical activity, and healthy lifestyles. We will emphasize healthy eating and Head Start and ensure the program continues to serve its 750,000 children and parents effectively.
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RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
We will equip the FDA to expand its food safety efforts through research, regulations, independence, and education. We will rebuild public trust. Trust that eroded through years of industry capture, corruption, waste, and misplaced priorities.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
We have about 1,100 measles cases in this country. The growth rate last year was 15 additional, so we have plateaued. Mexico has roughly the same number with a third of our population, and they got 300 extra cases last week. You are wrong about what you said earlier.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
We took the Biden guidelines, which are 453 pages long, and were clearly written by industry that are incomprehensible... driven by the same industry capture and those kind of carnal impulses that put Froot Loops at the top of the food pyramid. And we are changing that. So we're going to have four-page dietary guidelines that tell people essentially eat whole food.
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RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
Congressman DeLauro, you say that you've worked for 20 years on getting food dye out. Give me credit. I got it out in 100 days. I'll give you that. All right, so let's work together and do something that we all believe in, which is have healthy kids in our country, for God's sake. There's no such thing as Republican children and Democratic children.
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RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
They're just kids, and we should all be concerned with them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
We've also proposed a methodology for regulating and for determining what is dangerous gain-of-function and what is legitimate gain. scientific investigation and how to bring the public into that debate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
We have some of the Democrats here who are talking about the great science from NIH, but now we have a major agency, intelligence agency, the CIA, the FBI, the DOE, and the State Department have all agreed that NIH research almost certainly led to the pandemic, the COVID pandemic. So that's not the kind of the result that we should be allowing or enabling. And we're going to end that now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
Of course it's true. Senator, you do not know what you're talking about.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Grilled on the Hill, Trump's Newsy Trip to Syria, Diddy Trial Revelations: AM Update 5/15
Let's work together and do something that we all believe in, which is have healthy kids in our country, for God's sake.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
My political party, I saw a Gallup poll recently. It was either Gallup or Rasmussen. that said that something like a 70% of Democrats support government restricting the speech. And it's almost inexplicable to me that we could be in that place right now. I believe my political party was A party that would go to the mat to protect people's right to say what they want.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
And that's so critical for our democracy. And it also is critical of public health. Listen, I may be wrong about the things that I talk about, but, you know, why can't we debate them?
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RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
Thanks for putting me on back in. Was it was it March of twenty twenty two?
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RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
Yeah, because you were one of the first people to let me on at a time when it was, you know, very dangerous for other outlets to give me a platform. And I've always been very grateful to you for that.
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Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Where did you keep papers that related to those things that you were actively working on?
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Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Congressman, what you are suggesting is that I shape, sanitize, omit portions of my reasoning and explanation to the Attorney General for political reasons.
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Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Do you have any idea where this material would have been before it got moved into the garage?
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Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
What advice do you have for the first female president of the United States?
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Dem Party Imploding, Michelle Obama's Failing Podcast, and Debating Khalil Deportation, with Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 1028
It wasn't really a reversal. I mean, it's what scientists do. You know, we kick around ideas. You know, we have, you know, private conversations. Sometimes you're playing devil's advocate. I mean, that's pretty much what I was doing in that one email, you know.
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Dem Party Imploding, Michelle Obama's Failing Podcast, and Debating Khalil Deportation, with Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 1028
What changed? What did you see? well, looked at the genomes of the viruses more closely.
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Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn | Ep. 1070
This was the fulcrum of Bernie Sanders' runs for presidency, that he was going to eliminate this discrepancy. And it's one of these promises that politicians make to their constituents, knowing that they'll never have to do it, because they know that Congress is controlled in so many ways by the pharmaceutical industry. We now have a president who is a man of his word, who has the courage.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn | Ep. 1070
President Trump was taking money from the pharmaceutical industry, too. I think they gave you $100 million. But he can't be bought. There's writers like Lord Elizabeth Warren or Robert Reich who are saying that President Trump is on this side of the oligarchs. There has never been a president more willing to stand up to the oligarchs. I never thought that this would happen in my lifetime.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn | Ep. 1070
I have a couple of kids who are Democrats, big Bernie Sanders fans. And when I told them that this was going to happen, they had tears in their eyes.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
Yeah, well, let me get to my wife in a minute and just make a couple of comments on that. Number one, I regret making that analogy. Number two, I was not comparing COVID policies to the Holocaust. I never mentioned the Holocaust. I was making a point, I was comparing a number of totalitarian regimes, left-wing and right-wing.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
So in that same, I think earlier in that sentence or later, I talked about the communist regime of East Germany and that all of these totalitarian regimes have similar features and similar intentions, which is to control every aspect of human behavior. And my point is that none of them have been able to do that in history.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
That today, however, because of these new technologies, technologies like 5G, which allows mass harvest of data and very, very intense surveillance, Satellite, 415,000 satellite, low altitude satellites that are gonna be able to look at every square inch of the earth, everyday facial recognition systems.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
We now have these AI systems that can look through walls and see people where they're hiding in buildings. We have vaccine passports, which is a way of social control, digital currencies. We saw what they did to the truckers in Canada, where they closed their bank accounts and denied the money.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
There's all these new instrumentalities that make the rising, the emergence of what I call turnkey totalitarianism, where they're putting in place all of these instrumentalities now, or they are getting put in place, let me use the passive voice,
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And it's going to give people who have those kind of ambitions a level of control over every aspect of our lives and makes dissent and resistance almost impossible. That's the point I was going to make. I made a big mistake by making any reference to Nazi Germany. Because of the sensitivities and because I know that what I say is going to be distorted by people who want it silenced.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And that, you know, I need to understand that. And I need to be careful in what I say because there are people who have sensitivities about that epic in history that are legitimate, that are you know, that are horrific. And, you know, I apologize because I don't want to hurt anybody. I have no, you know, desire to hurt anybody. I would say this, and I do think
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And we need to find ways to be able to talk about our history, because if we can't talk about, you know, the history of the rise of the Third Reich and not begin with death camps, death camps didn't come until 1941. There was a whole system of totalitarian controls that were put in place, and there were alchemies of demagoguery that were used that are common to all totalitarian systems.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
Over that 12-year period in which certain groups of people, and particularly Jews and Poles and Gypsies or Roma people, etc., were systematically dehumanized and robbed of their rights. It was a 12-year process and we need to, at some time, we need to figure out ways be able to talk about that process without offending people.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
It's a very tricky area, and I should have known better to stay the hell away from it, because it's just, there's no winning for me. People cannot hear my words. They're going to hear... from their feelings and their hearts, and they're entitled to those feelings.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
I want to say this. I encourage Cheryl to publish that statement. In fact, I asked her to do a statement that was much tougher than that. Really? Which, yes, because... And I'm glad she didn't. I'm very glad she didn't. But I actually gave her language that was much, much tougher than that because she needed to distance herself from me. My job as her husband is to protect her.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And the arrows and the bullets that were being slung at me were hitting her. She was getting tremendous blowback. from her friends, from her industry, from others. And it was a terrible experience for me. And she, you know, by the way, what she said, she believed. So she wasn't saying something, you know, she is, she does not,
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
accept all of the things that I believe about what's happening with the vaccines and the medical department.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
I don't need to convert her. I don't need her to be... I don't want her to... She started reading my book. She read all my other books.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And she started reading that book and she got on Fauci and she had just made her depressed to read that, you know, she has an idealism and, and a, and just a gentle heart and to read, you know, about these injuries to children and to read the government officials that are charged with protecting our health or compromised and corrupted. It just, it, it was, um, it was making her soul wither.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And I said to her, you don't have to read that book and you should stop reading it because let me just tell you something about Cheryl. She is literally the best human being that I've ever met. And when I met her, it's with Larry David and Larry brought her with my friend. And Larry brought her in 2002 to go skiing at a ski event I did up in Banff in British Columbia.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
She was married then and I was married then. And then she came back in 2011 and both of us were separated. And I got a crush on her on that weekend. So I knew I wanted to date her. And I went, but I also... knew that you know i went to basically to ask larry's permission because larry has a lot of roles that you know are not written down anywhere but a lot of men understand them and
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
Oh, I mean, to me, Megan, that's the most disturbing feature of this, you know, this kind of bewildering, um, response to COVID that we've seen. First of all, I want to say this, that I'm accused of promoting vaccine misinformation, but nobody, not Instagram, not the White House, not anybody else has actually identified a statement that I've made that is incorrect.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
One of them was, I know that even though it was his TV wife, I needed to get square with him before I... Might have been crossing a boundary.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
Exactly. So I went and met him at the Carlisle Hotel around 11 o'clock at night. I went up to his room. and sat down with him. It was like asking her parents to date, although, you know, he's my age. And I said, what do you think of that? And he said, she is the best person, human being I've ever met. And he said, she's the only person in this industry that is universally beloved.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
She doesn't have a single enemy. And she has a level of professionalism. She's never late for an appointment. She always knows her line. She does what she's supposed to do. And she's really... You know, Cheryl came from total poverty and she was born in North Florida. Her father lived in a trailer in Frostbrook, Florida. Cheryl slept in the same bed with her mother until she left high school.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
She came out, she paid for her own way through college. She put her way through waitressing. and working as a joke teller on a telephone line. And then she came out of here in a, you know, Toyota Turkcell with 100,000 miles on it and worked for 15 years as a bartender and as a personal assistant before she finally got a break, which, you know, she was working at the ground lanes and doing improv.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
But she didn't get a break in the industry until she got that job at Curb Your Enthusiasm where they were looking for somebody who was an unknown actress. And, you know, then her career took off. She directs films and she has an incredible career that she put together single-handedly.
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And the idea that my activities would be jeopardizing this thing that this incredible person put together was just... I felt like my job is to protect her, and I was doing the opposite of my job. So my heart was breaking. And I was, you know, I would have taken any blow to make sure that she could distance herself from, you know.
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My grandpa, you know, my parents were all really good friends with me. leading figures at the time who had been terrible enemies of my grandfather. And my grandfather used to always say, I don't want my enemies to be my children's enemies. They can, pick their own fights, but they don't need to fight mine and I don't want them to. And I feel that way about my family too. I chose this life.
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I chose this crusade and they need to figure out their own way. My children and other members of my family have other things to do. They're all doing valuable stuff and I'm not insisting that they read my book. This issue is so hard to learn You know, I've been litigating it. I've written book after book about it.
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There were no statements on Instagram. I didn't even say that the virus came from Wuhan. I just said it should be investigated because it would be weird if the guy who was financing those experiments and may have created the virus is now running the pandemic response. And so these questions should be asked. I didn't say it would happen because I couldn't at that point.
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Megan, I want to tell you, you know, how impressed I am because... You're very brave to have me on because you saw what they did to Joe Rogan for having Dr. Malone on.
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And I'm the only worse person than Dr. Malone. So, you know, they tried to destroy Joe Rogan, who's got 40 million followers.
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And Joe Rogan wouldn't put me on. Joe Rogan wanted to put me on. He won't put me on. And he has good reason for it because they will, you know, what you face if you allow me to talk is, and you've pushed back at me appropriately, you and I, You know, you've made good points on this show.
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You've done, you know, you're tough and you're smart, but you also, you have a lot of courage to, you know, to even allow me to talk. I've never been allowed to. to talk like this on a major platform, except, you know, Dr. Carlson.
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The Times and The Washington Post did a big profile piece on me. And neither of them even mentioned the name of the book.
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That's how, like, radioactive it is. So, wait, let me ask you this.
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I think so. Okay. You know, I hope so. She was nervous about me doing this show. I can tell you that.
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I'll just tell you another thing. Cause I brought her so much heartache on that other thing that I, I want to say this about her that, you know, you mentioned my, my wife that I've been through a real tragedy with, um, in my former marriage. And, um, You know, I have six kids and then a stepchild with Cheryl.
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But they, you know, that was obviously, anybody that listens to this can imagine how tough that was for them. And Cheryl coming into my life and becoming a friend, my kids adore her. And she has these extraordinary values. She has just a natural gift for understanding what you should do in any situation. She has more wisdom than I know of in any person.
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The word wisdom means a knowledge of God's will. And she has this acute sense of what's right and wrong in every situation. And He shared that with my children and just been a loving, loving friend to all of them. And, you know, my kids are all in credit are flourishing now and they're healthy and they're, they're all doing well in careers and school and athletics, et cetera.
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I have not made any inaccurate statements as far as I know. If I did make one and it was identified, I would immediately apologize in which part. Instagram and Facebook acknowledges that it uses the term vaccine misinformation as a euphemism for any statement or assertion that departs from government proclamations. whether they're factually true or not.
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And a lot of that is because of the strength and the stability that she brought to my life. Now that I wanted to explain that because I, That is why I would do anything to spare her that kind of pain.
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During the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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Marshals came to our house. My brother Joe and I were, you know, I think there were probably other kids. People may know that there's 11 kids in my family.
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joe and i were kind of the older boys and we were home and the u.s marshals came by and they wanted to take our whole family down to these um to this you know underground city that they have down in the blue ridge mountains where they they have literally they've hollowed out the blue ridge and they have
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they have a whole city there for the government to hide in when the bombs were raining down during nuclear winter. And so we were very, very excited. We wanted to see the joint and to go there. But my father called us and he got us, the two of us on the phone on different lines and he said,
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If you children leave, people are going to recognize that in Washington and it's gonna cause people to panic. And you need to go, you need to go to school. You need to show that everything has come. and be good soldiers. And he also said that if there is a nuclear war, it will be better to be dead than to be alive. Now, I did not go along with that. I felt like I would thrive in that situation.
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And I really wanted to see the place. But we did what he asked us to do.
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My father had a unique relationship with Hoover. Hoover hated my father. And after my uncle died, he never spoke to him again. And he reported directly to Johnson. Even though my father continued as attorney general, my father was an ostensible boss. But he had never reported to an attorney general in history. He had always had direct access to the president of the United States.
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And he hated that my father made him go through him. Not only that, my father put a red button. The FBI was in an adjoining building. They were actually linked by a bridge. And they were linked by a tunnel, which we used to go through. We would go to the shooting range, the FBI shooting range, and sometimes we'd go to Hoover's office.
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So my crime was criticizing government policies. It was not passing actual misinformation. And that's a problem for our government. You know, Adams and Madison and Jefferson said we put freedom of speech in the First Amendment because all of the other rights are dependent on that right. And if a government can Again, silence criticism. It has a license to commit any atrocity.
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He caught me in his office one day trying to catch the goldfish in his fish tank. He was very angry, but...
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My father had a button on the desk that he could summon Hoover. And one day we were in there and we were, me and two of my siblings were mischievously pressing that button. And he came up very angry, which... He should have been.
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There was one in the Cape, which isn't my brother's now my brother's house, which for one year was the summer white house. And the wires are still going through the door. But what happened was- Could you call now?
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I don't even know if they use landlines in the Kremlin anymore. I have no idea how it works, but nobody's tried it for years. Very useful. But my uncle had this very interesting relationship, which people don't know about, with Khrushchev because- My uncle didn't trust his CIA.
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He, in fact, after the Bay of Pigs invasion, which was early in his presidency, two months into his presidency, he realized the CIA had lied to him, that they wanted to precipitate a nuclear war. and that they had lied to him about the prospects, and they knew that the invasion was going to fail, and they believed that he would be forced into sending in the aircraft carrier and bombing Castro.
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And doing a US invasion, my uncle was absolutely against doing that. And when he came out of the meeting the next morning, he said to his aides, I want to take the CIA and shatter them into a million pieces and scatter them to the wind. He had this very hostile relationship with the agency. And my book, American Values, is about this very hostile relationship between the Kennedys and the CIA.
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It actually began 10 years before when my grandfather picked a fight with Dulles. He was on a commission that recommended the abolition of the clandestine services because they were causing trouble and blowback all over the world. My book is about the 60-year battle between my family and the CIA. And my uncle had this very awesome relationship with his Joint Chiefs and with the CIA.
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He had been a soldier himself. He didn't trust the Army, for starters, the Army brass. And he was mistrustful of them. And he believed they wanted to make them go to war. And he said... The primary job of every president of the United States, the number one job is to keep the nation out of war. That's what he said.
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What kind of a peace do I mean and what kind of a peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace The kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living. The kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and build a better life for their children.
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Not merely peace for Americans, but peace for all men and women. Not merely peace in our time,
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with peace in all time and he wanted on his gravestone he wanted he when he was asked what would be the epithet he said he kept the peace that that should be what was printed on his gravestone so he he found he began writing khrushchev directly after the the summit in vienna failed
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And they exchanged these 26 handwritten letters back and forth from each other that are incredibly intimate and caring and, you know, show this, both of the leaders were surrounded by war hawks who considered nuclear war not just inevitable, but also advisable, preferable. And both of them were struggling against their own military industrial complexes to keep their nations out of war.
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And they developed this very close relationship with each other where they talked with this intimate details about their families, their children, about us in these letters. And they were smuggled between them by a KGB spy whose name was Georgie Bolshekoy, who developed a very strong relationship with my father, a friendship with my father and mother. And we loved him as a kid.
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And that's why it's like, you know, when I was young, I supported the ACLU and others who were supporting the right of Nazis The margins of Illinois, not because I, you know, I was I was repulsed by their ideology and by their statements and horrified by them. You know, at the same time, we need to be able to be willing to die. protect their right to say those things.
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We knew he was a spy. He was this compact little but very strong Russian who could do the Cossack dancing and he could climb the ropes in our backyard. And one of the three times that my father got mad at my mom in her life was when she made him do a push-up contest against Georgie Polshakoy. He struggled these letters in the New York Times, folding in between the two men.
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And at the same time, and that prompted my uncle to put in a direct line to Grusha so that he could and run his State Department and run the spies and run the Pentagon and the two men could talk directly. And those phones were in three places. In McLean, where I live, in Hyannis Fort, at the summer White House where we all play, and in the White House. And it was extraordinary.
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It would be like Biden having a direct line to Putin and being able to talk to each other rather than talk through these, you know, official apparatus, which oftentimes has agendas that are contrary to the best interests of our country.
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Well, I don't ever speak for my uncle, you know, in terms of what he would do on specific policies. And I think that, you know, other members of my family, in respect to all of us, also avoid doing that. But, you know, what I listen, Megan, what I think is that we went to the war in Iraq. And In 2002, 2003.
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And it turned out to be, and it was this hysteria that Saddam Hussein was a monster, we had to get him, etc. But there was no real explanation about what the U.S. interest in it was. And he had nothing to do with 9-11, although we were made to think he did. He had nothing to do with the anthrax attacks, although we were made to think he did.
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And there was a uniformity, kind of a propaganda wall that infected all of the news organizations, what we used to call the yellow press. And I think it's really important when we have national policies like this that we look at the nuance and that we allow other voices on TV and on the radio and in our newspapers.
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The Ukraine is an extremely complex geopolitically and historically, and in ways that Americans today are missing completely. And the people that we are pretending that we are now saying we need to help are, you know, we know about these very extremist views that are in the Azov battalion, et cetera. that we need to understand.
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And I just think that we should not rush into something without debate, without a real debate, without locking out alternative voices, and about really understanding what the U.S. objectives are and what's best for the world.
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And that's what they understood, our ancestors in the American Revolution. And that's what generations of writers, of politicians, of respected leaders have warned against any government that tries to limit speech. And now it's very strange living in this world where it's become okay. In my political party, I saw
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That picture on the airplane is coming back from the convention in Los Angeles in 1966. And, you know, he had just been named the Democratic candidate.
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He was not yet president. He was still the United States senator.
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To me, it's saying a president gets his advice from, you know, many.
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Something like that.
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Of course, that was, you know, I mean, we all worked in the campaign. I was out in Los Angeles for the convention. My parents were really good about involving us in everything. And, you know, we had sit down dinners every night with all the kids and we talked about politics. I talked about current events.
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We had from when we were really little, we had to read the papers every day, write down three current events every day in our journal.
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And we had to then give talks on the weekends at dinner. Each one of us did a short talk on political or did a poem or something.
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Well, you know, the family grew slowly. They didn't have 11 kids all at once.
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There were seven of us. And some of them were young, but the older kids were expected to, you know, do these things. And the younger ones gradually didn't. You know, the thing about my mother, and I talk about it, this kind of very tense relationship that I particularly had with my mother for the first couple of decades of my life.
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But she was, and afterwards I was able to see, you know, what an incredible human being she'd been and how, particularly when I had my own kids, you know, and try to make them sit down at the table every night and say their prayers and, and, have, you know, high level conversations and arrive on time and have their, you know, their hands clean and all that stuff.
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And she did that every night with all of us and we did it. And then we, we all said the rosary every night. We read the Bible every single night. We went to church every day in the summer and on Sundays in the winter as well. And, um, You know, if I try to do that to my kids, then they ridicule me. So I really have a tremendous respect for many, many gifts that she gave me.
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But, you know, one of those was just a very rich experience of growing up in a household that had that kind of, you know, that kind of laughter and fun, but also the discipline.
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Yeah, I'm still a Democrat because I think the Democratic Party is. a party that believes in free speech, that believes in the highest ideals of our country. And that is a party that is much more reluctant to go to war, that opposes the corporate domination of our, country and that oppose environmental pollution. And those are issues that both parties, people of both parties can share.
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I want to say this, Megan, that I think it is one of the intentions of people who are pushing totalitarianism is to encourage tribalism and division. And if you look at the strategies for shattering indigenous societies that the intelligence agencies have developed over many years, one of the key strategies is to divide people, divide them by race, by political party, by religion, whatever.
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And so what I really try to do is I try to be a bridge to try to find the common values that we have. We have a level of polarization now in this country that is dangerous. If you see that documentary, Social Dilemma, it's very frightening because we are being manipulated to away from each other, to close the door on each other, to burn the bridges and to create two Americas.
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Gallup poll recently, it was either Gallup or Rasmussen, that said that something like 70% of Democrats support government restricting speech. And it's almost inexplicable to me that we could be in that place right now. I believe my political party was a party that would go to the mat to protect people's right to say what they want. And that's so critical for our democracy.
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It's the most dangerous polarization that we've had since the United States Civil War. And one of the frightening things in that
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oh is that i mean what they've shown that oh is that these you know facebook and the other companies have developed algorithms that are designed to keep your eyeballs on that site for as long as possible and they're out of control of those algorithms they set them in motion And then they do things and learn things that nobody really knows how they were working.
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But it turns out that the way that you keep people's eyeballs on the site is by reinforcing their worldview, by telling them things that they already believe in. So if I live in this house and there's a Republican next door and we make an identical inquiry on Google or whatever, we get two different answers. My answer will reinforce my worldview. His answer is going to reinforce his.
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And the division, the abyss between us gets deeper and deeper. And this is a real problem for society. And we have to figure out ways to build bridges with each other. So I don't talk so much about my political party anymore. I believe in all the values I've ever believed in. I'm fighting for all the values and for the vision of our country that I always believe in.
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But I am happy to talk to Republicans, work with them to to battle in the in the foxholes in the trenches side by side with them, and Democrats and everybody, and I don't ever ask anybody their political party. I think and I used to, you know, so I'm not saying that it's not part of my, you know, of what I think right now.
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Purposely, I really I think it's so critical that we are talking to people that we disagree with and put aside all these tribal divisions which are destroying this country.
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Listen, my father always said, vote for the person, not the party. You know, I'm not going to talk about who I vote for or what I vote for, but I'm not going to, you know, I really think it's critical that we become less partisan and that we find common ground, that we build bridges to each other.
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Let me tell you just a way of answering that question, an anecdote from my own life, which was one of the most poignant experiences that I had with my father. And it took place. And I had many, many wonderful experiences, as I detail in that book. But this took place in the days after he died. And he was, of course, killed here in Los Angeles. And I was here holding his hand when he died.
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We flew him back to New York, where he was senator. and we waked them at St. Patrick's Cathedral to a huge crowd of people. And it was multicolored people, every color packing the sidewalks eight to 10 deep for the entire upper Manhattan. And we put them on a train and we took that train down from Penn Station to Union Station in Washington, DC. There were 2 million people lining the train tracks
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The train trip that's usually two and a half hours took seven hours because the trains could not move because there were so many people on the tracks. They were a cross-section of the American public. There were Black people, whites. The train stations in Newark, in Philadelphia, in Baltimore were just jammed with people.
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with black Americans singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic and holding candles as we came through. My father's casket was in the caboose and I was riding at the end of the train or at some time in the different cars.
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And it also is critical of public health. Listen, I may be wrong about the things that I talk about, but why can't we debate them? Why can't we hear these discussions about masks?
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And there were every religion, there were rabbis, there were priests, there were nuns, there were men in military uniform, there were hippies in tie-dyed t-shirts, there were Boy Scouts. I remember a group of about seven or eight nuns standing in the middle of a baseball field in Delaware in the back of a yellow pickup truck. And there was just this incredible array.
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It was a cross-section of the American experience. It was all the crowds that I had seen in all these political campaigns with my dad and my uncle since I was a little boy. It was a complete mixture of the American diaspora And four years later, most of the crowd was white because our population was. And they were holding signs, American flags, pray for us, Bobby. Goodbye, Bobby.
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You know, holding the babies up. We got to Penn Station and Union Station in Washington. President Johnson met us. We took my father up the hill. Arlington, we passed them all. And at that time, the Poor People's Campaign, which had been organized, conceived by my father, organized by Martin Luther King and Marian Wright Edelman, and it was thousands of poor men from all over the country.
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They're trying to create a political movement for poor people. living in tents and shanties and they all came to the sidewalk, they bowed their head and they held their hats against their chests as we went up the hill to Arlington to bury my father next to his brother. And four years later, I was in college And I was looking at demographic data from the 1972 campaigns. That was in 1968.
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My dad was killed in the middle of that campaign. Four years later, the vast majority of those white voters between Baltimore and or between Wilmington and Washington, who had supported my father strongly, Four years later, the vast majority of them were voting not for George McGovern, who was aligned with my father on most issues, but for George Wallace, who was diametrically opposed.
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He was a racist, segregationist, you know, the worst kind. And it occurred to me then, so that same people that voted for my father were now voting for a guy who believed absolutely the opposite.
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It occurred to me that, and it struck me many times, that every nation, like every human being, has a darker side and a lighter side, and that the easiest thing for a politician to do is to appeal to our bigotry, to our hatred, to our selfishness, to misogyny, to xenophobia, and to our greed and anger.
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I've sued agencies for 40 years are failing to go through a regulatory process to have an environmental impact statement where it explains where, which has to explain the scientific basis for new regulations or actions, show the studies and then do a cost benefit analysis. None of that happened. It was, you know, we just suspended democracy. We suspended due process.
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And it's much more difficult to do what my father was trying to do, which is to try to make us feel like part of a community. And we are all on a heroic mission to perfect the Republic, to make this nation an exemplary nation, to make this nation a model for all the other nations of what human beings can accomplish from all the races and colors and creeds that are gathered here.
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when we work together to elevate what's best about us. And to create something that is a model democracy for the rest of the world. And my father was able to get people to see the hero inside of themselves. He believed that each one of us had a hero inside of us. And that his job was to bring that hero out and get us to transcend narrow self-interests.
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and to act on behalf of community and to resist the seduction of the notion that we can advance ourselves as a people by leaving our poor brothers and sisters behind. And we had to go forward together. We had to lift up each other and all be part of this American experience.
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And, you know, so that's the answer, I think. to your question that, you know, we need to start appealing to the best side of all Americans and stop looking at their race, their religion, their political party or affiliation or anything else and just say, what do we need to do to make this country, you know, the best, the exemplary nation that it ought to be?
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Yeah, well, I had another, you know, my mother had a huge family too, so there were 29.
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Yeah, well, that was a pretty good description on the boat. We were raised in Italy with all my other cousins. In fact, You know, we all lived in the same town, the seaside village, Hyannisport, which is a magical, magical place and still is. My kids go up there every summer and they have over a hundred cousins who are their age and who they adore.
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And once they got rid of freedom of speech, they went after all the others. They closed a million churches, all the churches in this country for a year with no public hearing, no discussion of the science, no offering of a single scientific study to justify it. They shut down a million businesses with no due process, no just compensation, a direct violation of our constitution.
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At that point, we would migrate from one family house because my grandparents had nine children. One of them, Joe, died during the war, kicked out in an air crash after the war. Rosemary was intellectually disabled. All the remaining kids, the remaining six kids, all had houses essentially next to each other or very close to each other in Hyannisport.
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Most of them had large families, and we would migrate every night. We would eat in a different house. Oh, you know, on Thursdays we need a driver's house on on Tuesdays. We'd eat at Smith's on Wednesday. We did it. John Kennedy's house on the Saturdays. We did it. Ted Kennedy's on Sundays. We needed, you know, my our house for Robert Kennedy. And there was lots of competition between the family.
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You know, there was people who were engaged in every kind of competition we had. My grandfather had hired an Olympic swimming coach who was an Olympian named Sandy Eilert. He taught us all sports. You know, he taught us boxing and swimming. And we had sailing and tennis lessons and all that kind of stuff. And we were always competing.
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Oh, you know, but it was a healthy kind of competition, I think. And it was outside. And I think we weren't allowed it. inside during the daytime even if there was a rain or something we were told you can't come in you got it and there was no tv and you got to figure out a way to you know do something outside so and it wasn't we weren't tempted to go inside everybody wanted to be outside
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i really am frightened for my kids generally and i raised my kids as much as i could outdoors so that i think they you know they love that and you know i have a kid uh that just returned from two weeks whitewater kayaking in uh patagonia and he's on his way up to run the i did a ride and all my kids love the outdoors but but the um
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I really am frightened and concerned about this generation because I think they're, you know, the technology, the cell phones, the TikTok, the Instagram, and the kind of self-loathing that accompanies a lot of those addictions is... If they have to overcome stuff that we never had to overcome in the life that, you know, I think that the socialization of these children today, it's an addiction.
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You know, these devices are designed to addict people and they're addicting themselves to something that is not apparently healthy for any reason.
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and it concerns me a lot, but I don't know what to do with it. I do, Megan, I think that the Democrats have a really, who are advocating censorship, the concern they have, the underlying concern is a legitimate concern. You have, because of the power of the social media,
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um these you know inflammatory and violent and dishonest characterizations kind of uh have a way of amplifying on the internet the way they wouldn't do with conventional newspapers or news sources and the the algorithms that they use to keep us on the site also have the um the side effect of the fallout of polarizing opinion and making opinion, I think, more extreme and raising passions in a way.
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And I think as a society, we have to figure out how to deal with that. We have to figure out some fix, but I do not believe the fix is censorship.
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You can censor certain things. You can censor pedophilia. You can censor incitements to violence. When you get outside of those and a couple of other narrow categories that censorship is not legitimate for any reason.
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I read of Seventh Amendment jury trials against any company that says that they're involved in providing a countermeasure. If there's a vaccine company and you get injured, you have no rights to compensation, no matter how Grievous your injury, no matter how reckless their conduct, no matter how negligent their conduct, you cannot sue that company.
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Yeah. And they're making money and they're tied in with the intelligence agencies and everything. They're tied in with big pharma. Google owns three vaccine companies. Facebook, Zuckerberg has a billion dollar investment in vaccines. And they are all making money on it. They have partnerships with the big pharmaceutical companies.
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they're inseparable and it's a really dangerous conglomerate because the, you know, there's no, it's not paranoid to say the intelligence agencies are deeply, deeply embedded in these companies. And you have the, you know, you have military application, you have huge government contracts, you have deals with the pharmaceutical companies and you've created this government corporate cartel
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people shouldn't listen to me as a parent. The older I get, the less I know about parenting. I am not going to give people advice on parenting. I mean, I can share kind of my experience, strength and hope, which is that, um, You know, my approach to parenting has been to really laissez-faire, to try to be a good example, to try to encourage my kids' interest in history and values.
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And then, you know, they got rid of the prohibitions against warrantless searches and seizures with all this track and trace surveillance that we now have to give our private information and our private medical records to people to get into a bar, to get on an airplane or whatever. And there is no pandemic exception in the US Constitution.
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but also to understand that as much as I love them, that God loves them more and that they're his children and that, you know, my role is not to control them, but to encourage them and You know, most of my kids went through periods of revolt against me, which I welcome. I think children need to divorce their parents. They need to develop their own sense of self.
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They need to develop confidence and they need to be, you know, I like when my kids argue with me. I have a couple of kids. I have one kid in particular who does not, he's not completely bought into any of my vaccine, you know, baloney or whatever. So he, and he argues with me all the time. And I love that.
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I love that, you know, they can make up their own minds that it's really important that we develop in our country, a generation of children who understand the importance of critical thinking. and who understand that fear can disable our capacity for critical thinking, and we have to resist that.
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Like Franklin Roosevelt said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, because fear destroys capacity for critical thinking, and we need to be armored against propaganda. We need to be armored against the orchestrated fear because if we, and so it's important to have brave children, it's important to instill courage and risk taking if we want to continue to have a democracy.
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There was a generation of Americans in 1789 or 1776 who understood that there's a lot worse things than death, there's a lot worse things than dying, and living as a slave is one of them. And that's why they gave their lives, they gave their fortunes, they, in some cases, lost their families in order to give us the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution.
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And, you know, we have lived off their courage for a couple of hundred years. And now it's time that we have to, you know, renew that commitment to courage again.
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Yes, there's a new kind of risk-taking, right?
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yeah i think so i mean my father always you know my father really admired as i say in my book physical courage, and he was surrounded by people like Jim Whitaker, his best friends. Jim Whitaker, who was the first American on Mount Everest. John Glenn, who was the first American to orbit the Earth.
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Sam Hoff, all these football players, Rosie Greer, Rafer Johnson, people who had demonstrated, and a lot of war heroes, like Gerald Tremblay and many others. They were all in our house all the time. And my father had this tremendous admiration for physical courage, but he always said that moral courage is an even rarer commodity.
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And ultimately, that was the reason that my uncle wrote that book, Profiles in Courage, and won the Nobel or the Pulitzer Prize, was to illustrate a dozen stories. of American politicians who had sacrificed their careers and, in some cases, their lives for a principle, to stand on a principle that they knew was going to cost them.
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And by the way, it's not because they didn't know about pandemics because there was a smallpox epidemic during the revolution that paralyzed Washington's Army of New England for a couple of months. And there was another malaria epidemic that happened to the Army of Virginia. So they knew very well what epidemics could do. And yet they did not say that this document is suspended.
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And, you know, I was raised in a milieu where we were taught that it was a great privilege to be able to be part of some great controversy. And that the best thing that could happen to us is if we could give our lives and our energies to something that was larger than ourselves.
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Well, number one, even if Sir Anne had killed my father, I would be advocating his parole. And my brother, Douglas... is agnostic about whether Saran killed my father or not, but he even, he believes like I do that even if he did kill my father, he should be paroled.
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And, you know, to me, that is an important personal stand because I think resentments and anger and revenge are, uh, are impulses that are never, um, They're never good for you. Resentments are like, as they say, like following poison and hoping someone else will die. It has a corrosive impact on your own soul. So I think, you know, what the better approach to...
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The people who hurt you is to pray for them, to forgive them, and then to keep moving. But if you let them live in your head rent-free, then they are in control of you. And only by forgiving them do you escape. and their influence. So I would be advocating, even if Sirhan didn't kill my father, Sirhan did not kill my father. He certainly shot at my father.
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And this is what Thomas Noguchi, who was the coroner, said from the beginning. Sirhan Sirhan was standing in front of my father. He was standing in front of the steam table. He never got less than five feet from my father. There were 77 eyewitnesses in that Ambassador Hotel kitchen. And they all saw what happened, which is Sirhan fired two shots at my father directly.
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One of those shots went past my father and hit Paul Schrade, who was a United Auto Workers, a very close friend of my father. He's the man who introduced my father to Cesar Chavez and one of his closest friends. And he today is alive and has been advocating for Sir Ann for 20 years. And he's the one who made me look at the evidence and read the autopsy report against my will.
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and showed me that Sirhan could not have killed my father. The second shot that Sirhan fired at my father ended up in a door, a door jam, a wooden door jam behind my father, and was later removed by the Los Angeles Police Department. Sirhan was then tackled by six men, including Rosalie Guerriere, Rafer Johnson, and a number of others, and his
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gun hand was pushed away from my father and but they couldn't he had a superhuman strength and they could not get the gun out of his hand and he fired off six more shots and emptied the chamber and all of those shots hit people so we have them all accounted for Oh, we know what happened to all of Sir Anne's shots, and none of them hit my father.
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These rights are suspended whenever there is an epidemic. And the disturbing part of this response was that it did not seem to be a public health response at all. It was a militarized and monetized response. We did things the opposite of what you would do if you wanted to stop a pandemic. And ask yourself, and I would ask any of my fellow Democrats who are supporting Tony Fauci, his record
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My father was hit by four shots, one that passed harmlessly through his shoulder pad, all of them from behind. They were contact shots, meaning that the barrel of the gun was either touching his flesh or within an inch of his flesh. poor touching his clothing. They were fired by somebody who was standing immediately behind my father. And all of the shots were fired on an upward trajectory.
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So the gun was being held against my father's back. And the trigger was pulled four times. The audio of the night records 14 shots or 13 shots fired. So Sir Anne only had eight shots in his gun. And there were many more shots than that fired, and he never had a chance to reload.
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The man who killed my father is almost certainly Eugene Dane Caesar, who was a security guard, and he worked at the Lockheed plant. He had a classified position. Lisa Pease, in her book, um, establishes that he was a, that he identified himself as an agent of the CIA, the central intelligence agency. And he, um, uh, he died at the very beginning of the pandemic in the Philippines.
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And he, the gun that he had that night was a 22. which he lied about repeatedly. He was, when my father died, when my father was shot, he fell onto Caesar and Caesar fell back. So the two men were lying on the ground and then Caesar pushed my father off and got up and he was seen by a dozen people with a gun in his hand and he never denied that he had his gun pulled.
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He said he had pulled the gun to fire at Sirhan. But that gun was not found. And it was not turned over to the police. It has since been found. And it says there are lies repeatedly about what he had done with the gun. So there's a lot more evidence. It's too much to go into here.
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But if you, you know, people who are curious about it, there are, you know, many, many books about, that are written about what happened. And The orthodoxy in this case doesn't make any sense, as it does in so many cases.
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Well, that was the Warren Commission. And the Warren Commission, of course, the key commissioner was Alan Dulles. And Alan Dulles, of course, was the head of the CIA, who my uncle had fired after the Bay of Pigs. And we now know that he was...
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deliberately, and this is not controversial, this is well established, he was deliberately steering the committee away from many facts that would have implicated the CIA, including the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset beginning in 1958. When he worked as a radar operator at the Atsui Air Force Base in Japan,
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which was the CIA base where the, he was a Marine, where the U-2 flights were based out of that were over the Soviet Union. He defected to the Soviet Union. It was a fake defection. It was a dangle. It was orchestrated by James Jesus Angleton and Langley. who was the head of counterintelligence in Langley, meaning the division of the CIA that looks for Russian spies.
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And there was a KGB mole in Langley for many years. To this day, it's not identified. And they were trying to track a chase out that mole. And they thought that when Lee Harvey Oswald defected, Angleton believed that the mole, that the KGB would wonder who he was and would ask the mole to check his file.
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And they had a trigger system on his file in Langley that would identify anybody who touched it. But they weren't able to do it. And Oswald came back without any punishment, without even being debriefed by the State Department. He simply, he had made a very, very high profile defection to Russia. He married a daughter of a KGB colonel.
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and then just walked into the State Department and said, I want to go home. They bought his ticket. They gave him $600. He was met at the airport in Dallas by a guy called George Marshall, who was also working for the agency, an agency asset. And you talk about the Warren Commission findings, but the United States Congress assassination committee is investigating, and the Senate.
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is the worst record of any country in the world, arguably. We have 4.2% of the global population here in the United States. And I think we had something like 17 or 18% of the global COVID deaths. The death rate in America was in the top 10 in the world. So we had 2,800 people per million population die. The African nations had an average of about 200. Nigeria had 15 people per million population.
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did a new investigation five years after the Warren Commission, and they came to the opposite conclusion, that it was indeed a conspiracy. They didn't know whether the conspirators who actually murdered my uncle were mafia or whether the CIA, there was a split within the committee.
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The Warren Commission was working on very little knowledge that was heavily orchestrated and the subsequent investigations. And now we have millions of documents that suggest a strong involvement by the agency.
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When you ask me, how does it make me feel? It's hard for me to separate my feelings from the larger issue about what the implications are for our country and for our democracy. That these are murders, that You know, whether I'm right or wrong about them, we should be able to talk about them. We should be able to reason. We shouldn't be, again, shut down and censored.
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The people ought to be able to have a congenial conversation about these. And if the original verdicts do not make any sense, then let's have an investigation on what happened. Because our country took a turn when my uncle was killed. You know, when... I was a boy when I was on my sixth birthday or seventh birthday.
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Dwight Eisenhower met January 17, 1961, made what I would consider the most important speech in American history where he warned our country against the rise of the military industrial complex and the subversion of democracy through
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this ascendancy of this corrupt cartel of intelligence agencies, the military agencies, military contractors, and other people who are attached to the military industrial complex.
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My uncle took office two days later. It was a farewell speech for Eisenhower. And he said, this is the most important issue, the enemy within. It's not the people from outside our country, but people within. And he talked also about the health agencies and the health cartel very, very explicitly and presciently.
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And my uncle spent three years of his presidency battling the military industrial complex. And in the end, if The conclusions of that subsequent committee, the Health Assassinations Committee are correct. And it was members of that cartel that killed him. And if that's true, we should be trying to resolve that still. Because at that point, so what happened when he died?
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He had, two months before he had died, he had signed national security order. ordering all of our troops out of Vietnam, ending the Vietnam War. The first 1,000 troops, there were 1,100 troops, 11,000 troops, and the first 1,000 would be out by December. The remainders would all be out within 12 months. By the end of 1965, or by the beginning of 1965, as soon as he died,
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Lyndon Johnson, by the way, my uncle's been fighting for three years, his own military intelligence apparatus, who wanted to send a quarter million troops into Vietnam and make it our war. And he said, no, there's the Vietnamese war. They have to win it or lose it. We can help them. We can give them advisors. We can give them helicopters. But we are not going to fight the war for them.
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Sounds familiar. And Johnson came in. And immediately he sent, we had the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. He sent a quarter million troops in there. And it became the American War. And then after Johnson, my father ran specifically against the war, specifically against the military industrial complex. He won California. And That meant he was almost certainly going to win the convention.
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And he had already beat Nixon once. He beat Nixon. He was his brother's campaign manager in 1960. He beat Humphrey, who was his only other opponent, real opponent. Eugene McCarthy was not a serious candidate. He'd already beaten Humphrey in 1960. And he'd already beaten Nixon in 1960. So he had a clear path to the White House.
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when he was murdered and he was specifically running against Vietnam war and against the military industrial complex, as soon as he was killed,
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These countries, which Tony Fauci and Bill Gates, at the beginning of the pandemic, said Africa is going to get wiped out. We need to get them all vaccines. Nigeria has a vaccination rate of 1.5 for one vaccine, 1.5%. Wow. They had a COVID death rate that was about 1,500th of our COVID death rate. There's reasons for that that are non-medical.
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nixon comes in and sends a half a million troops over there and then fights until 1963 when my uncle left office 75 american special forces advisors had been killed in vietnam by the time nixon left 56 000 american troops and millions of vietnamese had died in that conflict and the military industrial complex had to get more and more powerful
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And you look at the rest of American history and it's just a, it's a battle between these dwindling impulse for a democracy. and the growing power of this cartel. And I think, you know, the murders of my uncle and my father were key parts in that turn that we made in the road and that part of unraveling that, restoring the path to democracy and the control over these
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
These dangerous, dangerous forces, you know, probably ought to begin with a real investigation of both of those murders, a real investigation for the first time in history.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
There's not much I can tell you about Marilyn Monroe.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
Those are rumors that have been time and again proven completely untrue. There's two days. My father's schedule, every minute of his day is known. So people know where he was every moment of the day. And it happens that the day that they say that my father, you know, that these people who are selling books, saying these things,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
The day that they say my father was with her, he was with us at a camping trip up in Oregon and in Northern California. And it would have been impossible for him to be here. That was the day that she died. All the days that people, that these authors who are just bogus authors, who are making money by saying these things,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
All the days that they claim that my father could have been with Marilyn Monroe are days when we know exactly where he was and he was on opposite sides of the country from Marilyn Monroe.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
Yeah, I again, all of the rumors about the affair. you'd have to find a time where he could have had an affair. And there is no conceivable time when the two people are in the same city. What? There's always a way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
I'm talking about my father. We know where he was. You know, the authors...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
blame to know the days and you'd have to know the day because my father's schedule was known he was on the campaign trail what about all jack kennedy's affairs like we you know we know he did that even though the new york times wasn't writing about it washington post listen i wasn't around then so i can't answer that question i can't answer the question about my uncle
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
I was not talking about his extracurricular life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
Thank you very much. Thanks for your courage, Megan. Thank you for your integrity, and I hope they leave this up more than about 10 seconds.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
One is that African countries have younger populations, and COVID was a disease that killed elderly people. But that doesn't explain it anywhere near these huge disproportions. One of the things that could explain it is that Nigeria has the highest malaria burden in the world. Oh, 27% of malaria cases globally come from that country. Oh, everybody in the country is on hydroxychloroquine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
It also has the highest burden of river blindness. A large part of the population is on ivermectin. Is that what explains this incredible record against COVID? Well, we don't know. But shouldn't we be asking that question? Isn't that the first thing Tony Fauci should be doing is saying, why is there this huge delta between COVID death rates in all these different countries?
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And the countries that did worse are the ones that focus on the vaccines. The countries that did worse.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
That's right. And, you know, I would I completely not. I can be wrong about anything. Let's have the debate. Let's have the discussion. You know that our democracy is based on the free flow of information with good. and good ideas and good arguments, triumphing in the marketplace of ideas, and none of that stuff is happening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And as you point out, you know, we need to ask ourselves, qui bono, who is benefiting from this? Clearly the pharmaceutical companies, but also the big tech platforms are. And they, you know, there has been, this has been a war against the poor. If you look at Black neighborhoods, Compton, Harlem, had two or three times the death rates as Bel Air or Greenwich.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And you had the schools closed in those neighborhoods. According to the Brown University study, children lost 22 IQ points, young children, during the pandemic. And the mental illness went off the roof. I think 51% of Black children had suicidal ideation. You had the police going to those neighborhoods and closed down the basketball courts. And who benefited from all of this?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
It was the internet platforms. It was Jeff Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, Larry Ellison. Jeff Bezos, etc. There was a transfer of wealth, the biggest in history, arguably, $3.8 trillion from the global poor and from working people to this new class of oligarch billionaires.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
And the same people who were benefiting were the ones who now control our communications of Facebook and all these platforms. And they were using their control to suppress and to censor any criticism of the government lockdowns that were making them even richer. And there's something really wrong with that. And the government was allied with them and telling them what to censor and what not.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
We have correspondence between Zuckerberg and Tony Fauci telling him about censoring people like me. Oh, it's not, you know, and I, again, I, there's nothing I'd like more than to debate Tony Fauci or any of these people.
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Part 2 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, on The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, His Marriage
What?
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Vances Visit Greenland, Major MS-13 Arrest, Stefanik Withdraws Her UN Nomination: AM Update 3/28
28 great divisions will become 15. The entire federal workforce is downsizing now, so this will be a painful period for HHS as we downsize from 82,000 full-time employees to around 62,000. We're keenly focused on paring away excess administrators while increasing the number of scientists and frontline health providers so that we can do a better job for the American people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Vances Visit Greenland, Major MS-13 Arrest, Stefanik Withdraws Her UN Nomination: AM Update 3/28
During the Biden administration, HHS's budget increased by 38%, and its staffing increased by 17%, but all that money has failed to improve the health of Americans. In fact, the rate of chronic disease and cancer increased dramatically as our department has grown. When I arrived, I found that over half of our employees don't even come to work.
The Megyn Kelly Show
The Vances Visit Greenland, Major MS-13 Arrest, Stefanik Withdraws Her UN Nomination: AM Update 3/28
HHS has more than 100 communications offices and more than 40 IT departments and dozens of procurement offices and nine HR departments. In many cases, they don't even talk to each other.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Dismantles Ed Dept, RFK Goes After Food Chemicals, American Released: AM Update 3/21
Any new chemical that they want to add to our food is generally recognized as safe and gets no review.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Dismantles Ed Dept, RFK Goes After Food Chemicals, American Released: AM Update 3/21
When FDA was created to regulate food, there were foods that were generally recognized as safe, G-R-A-S, generally recognized as safe, like flour, like dairy, like eggs. And they didn't want to make companies test those products, so they created that designation. That designation was expanded by an industry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Dismantles Ed Dept, RFK Goes After Food Chemicals, American Released: AM Update 3/21
I began taking advantage of it so that any new chemical that they want to add to our food is generally recognized as safe and gets no review. That's why we have 10,000 ingredients in our food in this country. In Europe, they only have 400.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Mysterious "Drones" Spread, Media Malpractice, and How Medical Journals Became Captured, with Hugh Hewitt and Dr. Aseem Malhotra | Ep. 964
They are presenting themselves to medical professionals as an arbiter of truth and as a neutral referee and a reliable referee of the truth. And they know that those medical professionals are relying on journal articles to treat patients. And that if they tell a lie, if they're committing fraud, that they can injure and kill people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Mysterious "Drones" Spread, Media Malpractice, and How Medical Journals Became Captured, with Hugh Hewitt and Dr. Aseem Malhotra | Ep. 964
So, you know, I believe they can be prosecuted and not only can they be prosecuted for those injuries, but they can be prosecuted on the racketeering statutes or promoting fraud. So I will, I'm going to do that as soon as I get in there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ballerina Home from Russian Prison, RFK Autism Announcement, Shower Exec Order: AM Update 4/11
At your direction, we are going to know by September we've launched a massive testing and research effort that's going to involve hundreds of scientists from around the world. By September, we will know what has happened. In the 1960s and 70s, autism was considered a rare disorder. Early studies citing just 1 in 10,000 children diagnosed. Today, that number reported to be 1 in 31.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ballerina Home from Russian Prison, RFK Autism Announcement, Shower Exec Order: AM Update 4/11
President Trump responding to RFKJ.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
Show me a single statement I made about science that is erroneous.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
Senator, I filed that lawsuit after CDC recommended the vaccine for six-year-old children without any evidence that it would benefit them and without testing on six-year-old children. And that was my reason for
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
I don't know. We don't have a good surveillance system, unfortunately. We don't know? I don't think anybody can say that. If you show me science, it says that.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
Senator, if you show me those studies, I will absolutely, as I promised to Chairman Cassidy, I will apologize.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
No, I did not. And that story has been debunked.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
I apologized for something else.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
All you have to read is the text which she published. It's not for that.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
No, it wasn't pedophilia.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
YIKES! Senate Hearing GOES OFF THE RAILS over Trump Picks
Well, if you have one in 36 kids who has neurological injuries, and if that is linked, that's something that we should study. Is it a perfect metaphor? It's not a perfect metaphor, but there's no metaphor that's perfect. But I am pro-vaccine. I am going to support the vaccine program.
The New Yorker Radio Hour
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and the Confounding Politics of Junk Food. Plus, Kelefa Sanneh on the Long Influence of Kraftwerk
You know, all the science indicates that ultra-processed foods are the principal culprit of And this extraordinary explosion, the epidemic we have of chronic disease with my uncle.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'Have you considered resigning?': Maddow calls out Trump staffers who fired nuclear safety personnel
So one may expect now or in the future to see thyroid abnormalities and very likely thyroid cancers.
The Rachel Maddow Show
As measles outbreak turns deadly, RFK Jr. gets the facts wrong
We are following the measles epidemic every day. I think there's 124 people who have contracted measles at this point, mainly in Gaines County, Texas. Mainly, we're told, in the Mennonite community. There are two people who have died. But we're watching it, and there are about 20 people hospitalized, mainly for quarantine. We're watching it.
The Rachel Maddow Show
As measles outbreak turns deadly, RFK Jr. gets the facts wrong
We put out a post on it yesterday, and we're going to continue to follow it.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Maddow: To block Trump's agenda, help Republican politicians find their spines
The vaccine schedule immediately after they passed the vaccine act exploded because all these companies were rushing to get new vaccines onto the schedule.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Maddow: To block Trump's agenda, help Republican politicians find their spines
Many of them for diseases that weren't even casually contagious, like ridiculous diseases that are on that, like hepatitis B. Why would you give, you get the hepatitis B from, you know, from sharing needles or from like going to a really seasoned prostitute or from, uh, From, you know, sort of compulsive homosexual behavior.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
Happy to be here, Rachel.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
We have not yet learned anything new than what we were told at the embassy when we were in El Salvador just a few days ago. But it's really important that people understand what is happening, not just to Andre, but to so many others that are being sent to foreign prisons and that we're giving no due process here in the United States. People have to remember that Andre came to the U.S.,
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
with an asylum appointment. He signed up for an appointment through an app that we have for asylum seekers. He was given a time to show up. He came to the border. He essentially claimed asylum. And then he was essentially kidnapped from that location
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
by ICE, by Homeland Security, sent to a country he knows nothing about, into a prison in El Salvador, and his family has heard nothing about him since. This is a makeup artist. There's no indication he was ever in a gang. His family describes him as someone that's very sweet. that's very kind, vulnerable in some ways.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
And so this should frighten every single American and anger us that this is actually happening to other people. The inhumanity that is happening right now to people that are seeking asylum, to people that are here in some cases ordered to stay in the U.S. by the U.S. courts and even the Supreme Court. Yet Donald Trump could care less about due process.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
And it's important that we receive word as soon as possible from the embassy or the State Department that Andrew Romero is okay.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
They did. I mean, look, we met directly with the U.S. ambassador there on the ground. And of course, we went there to continue to demand Kilmar's release, which, as we know, Donald Trump has defined the Supreme Court a unanimous decision and Kilmar needs to be released immediately. So that was what we were there for. In addition to that, Andrei's case is very important.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
He is someone that we need to ensure gets his due process. I've been talking to his lawyer team here also in the United States. The ambassador for the first time acknowledged his case. And for the first time after we left that meeting, made an official request to the Salvadorian government for a welfare check on Mr. Romero.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
And so that was the first time that we as a country have asked to see if he was even OK or alive. We're waiting for that response. We continue to follow up to get a response. But I'm hoping the U.S. ambassador keeps his word and gets his response on how he is doing. It is it is crazy to think that this young man is sent to this prison. We saw those pictures of him at Seacott crying.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
He reportedly was crying out for his mom when actually he was being sent there. And so it's a horrific story as an immigrant, a gay person myself. It just it just makes me so upset and angry that we treat people this way. They are coming to the U.S. fleeing a horrific situation in their own country.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
I'm just seeing the same reports. It is sickening that children are being deported. U.S. citizens are being deported, which we know is illegal and which we know is also just inhumane. The idea that they are taking these children, there has been no due process.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
From what I can see from the reports, essentially, these agents are trying to rush through the process, trying to get people, ship them out of this country. as fast as possible, giving them no real chance to go through the courts or through the process. And now we are deporting U.S. citizens, let alone children, to other countries, to Honduras, to other places.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
And what people need to understand, people in not just Democrats, but across this country, is we have to bring attention to this issue. This is an issue that's not just about immigration. It's about due process in this country. It's about the Constitution.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
It's about the kind of country that we're going to be and how we're going to treat the people that are here, whether they're citizens or they're coming to our country seeking help. And so this idea that now we're sending U.S.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public
citizens is both shocking to all of us, but should also anger us and continue to get out there and protest and continue to get out there and call out what Trump is doing to our country and to certainly people that are coming here for help.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The food that we're eating is not food anymore. It's a food-like substance that was manufactured or created in laboratories. It is not nutrient dense. It's nutrient anemic.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And you could argue that as a direct result of that, a million young Americans die. We're losing over 100,000 young people every year from drug overdoses. And to put that in perspective, during the 20-year Vietnam War, we lost 56,000 American kids. Wow. We're losing double that number every year from opioid addiction and overdoses. That's insane.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And that is a direct result of agency capture and agency corruption. And what we're trying to do now at the agency, which we're doing, is we brought in extraordinary leaders. who are now going to do, make sure that we do good science, gold standard science, which was what those agencies used to do. And that we're going to purge the entire agency of conflicts of interest.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Yeah, well, that's where Doge came in, really, is that we offered – initially we offered a buyout for anybody who wanted to leave. And we made clear that people should leave if they didn't share this new mission. And we got, uh, a lot of people left the agency. Um, and, uh, you know, then we came back and there, there's tremendous duplication. The agency is tremendous redundancies.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
We had a hundred comms departments. We have 40 it departments, 40 procurement departments, uh, And on and on. And so we were reorganizing the agency to consolidate those things. One, to eliminate redundancy and streamline the agency.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Most importantly, to redirect and recalibrate its course so that everybody there knows that every day, if you want your job, you got to wake up in the morning and be thinking, how am I going to end the chronic disease epidemic today?
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And so everybody's going to be clear on that mission. And, you know... We think that we're going to make a huge difference in the first year, but over four years, we'll be able to correct the course.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And seven of the eight recent FDA commissioners have immediately gone to work for industry. The CDC, the longest reigning recent CDC director, Julie Gerberding, who dramatically increased the vaccine schedule and added billions of dollars a year in revenue to Merck, went over to become the president or the vice president of Merck. That is astounding. You know, and that's typical.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
You see lower level division and branch chiefs in the agency. Also, you know, they, sort of the common course is that they work at the agency until their pensions vest expires. And then they move on to industry. So the last three or four years that they're at the agency, they're doing a lot of favors for industry and they're letting a lot of things go by.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And they want a soft landing at one of these companies. Mm-hmm. And their example then drives the – it infiltrates all the lower strata of the agency because they see the boss doing this. And they think this is the way that it's done. And you get punished for not going along. But there's a hundred other mechanisms for agency capture. And those come from appropriations through the Congress.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
It comes from reactions to the press. All the major institutions of our society have been captured by the industry. The press now gets, you know, the mainstream television networks. And some Roger Ailes told me one time that 75% of his advertising revenues on the evening news divisions were pharmaceutical ads.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
I mean, you can watch it. It's brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Pfizer.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
You know, those companies are doing that partially because the evening news is very attractive to drug companies because Young people don't watch news. It's all older people. And those are their customers. They're people who are taking all this whole, you know, arsenal, this battery of drugs. But they also do it to control content.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
That's why you see defense contractors advertising on, you know, Good Morning America. nobody is going to buy, you know, a Tomahawk mess. Hold on. Who's watching good morning America. They advertise because they want to control the content.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Anderson Cooper or, you know, any of these or Lester Holt or Jake Tapper, their salaries are being, their paycheck is being paid by the network.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
But their salaries are actually coming from pharmaceutical companies and they know that.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And they know that they can't, that they got to toe the line and they got to say, got to frighten us all about, about infectious disease. They got to, Make us all do the, you know, comply with the pharmaceutical mandates. And they're not giving us the real news. They're not asking the questions that they ought to be asking. There's no skepticism.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And if you look at these news shows like the 60 Minutes or even Anderson or Sanjay Gupta.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
20 years ago, they were saying, yeah, there's problems with this, you know, with vaccines or these other drugs. Right.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And we,
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
There's a bad Supreme Court case recently that equated pharmaceutical advertising with freedom of speech and gave it endowed with a limited First Amendment protection. There's still things that we can do, and we're working on that. So we think that we're going to be able to do something, but I'm not going to talk more about that. Okay.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And the issue here that people understand, because a lot of the people who support us are for freedom of speech. Yes. Absolutely. But this is a very different issue because, first of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
and they advertise all these drugs on television, the person who's going to get the bill for that drug is my agency, and the taxpayers are going to end up paying for it. If you're selling cereal or Coke or something that might not be so good for you, At least, you know, the consumer's paying for that themselves, except if they're getting it from the SNAP program.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Yeah, I heard 25 states now have legislation to get sodas off of SNAP, and some of them are looking at candy and, you know, other stuff.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Yeah, so it's a huge revenue for these companies. And, you know, listen, if you want to buy a Coke, you should be able to do it. You're in America. You can do what you want. The taxpayers should not be paying for this nutrition program. And when 10% of the money is going for something that has no nutrients in it, it's not a good outcome.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The other thing about pharmaceutical ads is the company gets a tax deduction on them. We're paying for the ads and we're paying for the product.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And then we're paying for all the diseases that that product is causing.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And so it's different than any other kind of product and it's regulated differently. And those, you know, uh, Those regulations, you know, a drug company does not have carte blanche from FDA, FAA to advertise any product it wants and have there are conditions that we can place on it. And, you know, those are some of the things that we're looking at.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Well, I have never been popular with those agencies. I mean, the agencies used to do a good job. When I was a kid, you know, NIH was the gold standard science agency in the world. The FDA was the gold standard regulator. In fact, there were a lot of, at that time, this early 60s, there were a lot of countries in particular. And we're getting their freedom for the first time from colonial rule.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The tobacco companies, they would mimic the taste of things that are very appetizing. They would do it with chemical compounds, and they switched to doing that for food. And they started developing all of these chemicals that hijack your brain and trick your body.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And they were writing constitutions. And, you know, none of them could afford to have their own regulators, their health regulators or research institutions. And so a lot of them said in their constitution, if FDA says it's OK, then it's OK in our country as well. So there was this broad faith in American science and American regulatory integrity at that point around the world.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
That no longer exists. People now are very skeptical of our science and our regulatory agencies. And what we want to do over the next four years is restore global faith in American regulatory integrity.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
One is that NIH science, NIH has $46 billion that it allocates to science every year. And it does that through a grant system that gives grants to 56,000 researchers all around the world, mostly in the United States and a lot in Canada as well. And unfortunately that system has been corrupted through a number of different factors.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
so that people who get the money tend to be people who have been approved by the industry through, you know, a variety of, of levers. And they are part of an old boys network that knows what they can say and what they can't say and what they can research and what they can't. And they're not going to research anything that with the results may diminish corporate profits.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The other thing is there's no replication. So there's a huge incentive to cheat on your science. So if you, if you go to your funder with a hypothesis and say, this is what I believe, here's how I'm going to prove it. And it's going to be an important decision. And then the science does not confirm that hypothesis. That's science.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
When the hypothesis doesn't always work in your favor, when it's a null hypothesis, that science and ought to be published and it doesn't get published.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
But the private funding is coming from industry. So they cheat. I mean, we call those guys by constitutes because they, you know, they know what the outcome is and they write the outcome before they write the study. In many cases, that also happens in the public sphere. And so what we're going to do, and it happens because they know there's going to be no replication.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
A lot of times the data sets are private. You know, you buy UnitedHealthcare data sets. They're only selling to you, so you can't publish them. And so there's no replication. And if you know there's going to be no effort to replicating your study, you have a huge incentive to change.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And so what we're going to do is we're going to devote probably 20% of NIH's budget to replication. Every study has to be replicated. We're going to publish the peer review for the first time. We're probably going to stop publishing in the Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA, and those other journals because they're all corrupt.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And even the heads of those journals, like Marsh Angle, who for 20 years was head of the New England Journal of Medicine, says that we no longer are a science journal. We are a vessel for pharmaceutical propaganda. No kidding. Because they control the journals. They buy the preprints, right? If you want to publish in a journal, you have to pay $10,000 to get the study published.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
So the pharmaceutical company concocts a study that shows the outcome that they want, that statins work or that SSRIs work. And then they'll publish that. They pay to get that published. And they order reprints from the journal. The reprints, as you know, RA, it's a five or six page document that has the logo of the journal on it.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
They sell them for enormous profits, and then they give them to the pharmaceutical reps, hot-looking girls and hot-looking guys who go to the doctor's office, take them out to lunch, give them the preprint and say, this product works.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Why don't you prescribe 500 times during the next month, and then I'll be back here to see you, right, with all these kind of implied promises of what's going to happen. And that's how this system works. That is just astounding.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And so what we're going to do is change the system and say, you know, Richard Horton, who was the head of The Lancet, who really disgraced himself during COVID with, you know, The Lancet letter and all this.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
But he says the same thing. He says, yeah, we're not, we are no longer science journals. We are about politics. promoting pharmaceutical products. And that's what we do. So unless these journals change dramatically, we are going to stop NIH scientists from publishing there. And we're going to create our own journals in-house in each of the institutes.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Because if you get NIH funding, it is anointing you as a good, legitimate scientist. I
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And, you know, I thank you for what you're doing. And we're going to end the war at FDA against alternative medicine.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The war on stem cells, the war on chelating drugs, the war on peptides, the war on anything that, you know, is not going to make big harm.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
That's a war on vitamins.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Our position is that FDA has a job just to do the science on these kinds of issues and then tell the public what they've learned from the science, but not tell people and not tell physicians what they can and cannot prescribe.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And that if you want to take an experimental drug that, You ought to be able to do that. You shouldn't have to go to Antigua. You shouldn't have to go to Antigua to get stem cells, which I had to do for my throat.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And they helped me enormously. Why did I have to go to Antigua for that? You know, we don't want to have the wild west. We want to make sure that information is out there, but we also want to respect the intelligence of the American people. You know, the capacity of people who explore the outcomes that are going to benefit them the most.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And of course, you're going to get a lot of charlatans and you're going to get people who have bad results. But ultimately, you can't prevent that either way.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And leaving the whole thing in the hands of pharma is not working for us. You know, Peter Gosia, who was one of the founders of the Cochrane Collaboration, one of the great scientists in the world, and, you know, he just did a study recently that showed that the third largest cause of death in this country after heart attacks and cancer are pharmaceutical drugs.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
So for people to say, oh, we have to be very careful about nutrients and vitamins. It's astounding to me. And that people may misuse them or stem cells or hyperbaric chambers. It's not the government's purview to tell people they cannot have access to those things because what they're giving us access in the narrow range of drugs that they want to use.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
products that they want to restrict us to are not making us healthier. We ought to rely on democracy and the good sense of the American people and the drive that we all have to take care of ourselves and God's gift to us of a healthy body that has its own set of defenses that we need to respect.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
I mean, I think for all of us, it means to live up to our potential, the potential that God gave us. And, you know, I've said this, you know, a number of times that a healthy person has a thousand dreams. A sick person only has one. And right now, 60% of the people in this country have only a single dream.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And none of us, you know, our country cannot achieve its promises and exemplary nation without And the promise of giving everybody who lands here the American dream, the potential to fulfill their own potential if they're all sick all the time.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
So I think what we need to do is to dial back, have a healthy population, and then let people make up their own choices about how they want to run their lives.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Well, God bless you.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The FDA was no longer serving the public interest or public health. It had ceased being a public health agency.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Yeah, so President Trump named me as... Secretary of Health and Human Services.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The biggest agency of government. It's twice the size of the Pentagon. It's got a $1.9 trillion budget. And, you know, the irony of that is we spend more on health care in this country than any other country in the world per capita. Two to three times what most European countries spend. And yet we have the worst health of any country in the world.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
We have the highest chronic disease burden on Earth. And that, as you know, bleeds over into infectious disease, which has been really... Infectious disease has been the focus of most federal expenditures in terms of research. Chronic disease is the destination of most federal expenditures. in terms of healthcare.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
We have a sick care system in our country, and the ideology ultimately of all that disease is corruption. And it's the capture of these agencies, the industries they're supposed to regulate, those industries, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical cartel,
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
have transformed NIH, CDC, FDA, and ultimately CMS, which administers Medicare, into essentially sock puppets for the industry and profit centers. And they've commoditized the American public and turned us all into patients. Yeah.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
First of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer. And they advertise all these drugs on television. The person who's going to get the bill for that drug is my agency.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Yeah, it's been very profitable for them. When my uncle was president, I was a 10-year-old boy. And during that era, we spent zero on chronic disease at that time in history. There really were no cure. The first treatment for chronic disease was, ironically, it was the pill. Yeah. It was the first time you took a pill, you know, regularly.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Well, yeah, it was the first kind of long-term treatment that you took over a prolonged period of time. And we spend, when my uncle was president, we spent zero on chronic disease in this country. Today, it's probably $1.6 or $7 trillion a year. It's about 90% of our healthcare budget. And we have the highest chronic disease burden of any country in the world.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
During COVID, we have the highest death rate of any country in the world. That's astounding. We had 16% of the COVID deaths, and we only have 4.2% of the world's population. We literally had the worst record of any country in the world. It's a wonder that people are getting awards and recognition and kudos for managing COVID. Whatever we were doing, it was utterly wrong.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And if you ask CDC, you know, why did we die at higher rates? We died at rates that were, in some cases, like Haiti had a death rate. Haiti, if you remember at the beginning of the pandemic, we were told the poor countries of Africa are going to be devastated by this because they can't get a hold of the vaccines. Haiti is the poorest country in the atmosphere. It had a 1.3% vaccination rate.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
So virtually nobody got a vaccine. Right. They had a COVID rate of 14 deaths per million population. We had a death rate of 3,000 per million population. American blacks had a death rate of probably 3,600 per million population.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
We had 200 times death rate of Haiti. We had 200 times death rate of Nigeria, which had a 1.4% vaccination rate. Oh, and there's other reasons for that. Those are younger populations, which were less affected by COVID deaths. They're out in the sun more and they've got a lot of other, you know, advantages in that situation. But, you know, there's something wrong with our country.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Africa is a whole at about 360.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
There was a direct inverse correlation between vitamin D saturation and COVID mortality. And we're the only country in the world that has, and in history of the world, where obesity is also correlated with malnutrition. Because the food that we're eating is not food anymore. It's a food-like substance. And a lot of it was manufactured or created in laboratories.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Chronic disease is the destination of most federal expenditures in terms of health care. The etiology ultimately of all that disease is...
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And that no longer, it is not nutrient dense. It's nutrient anemic. And, you know, I watched this happen because I was part of the tobacco litigation back in the late 1980s. And the tobacco companies at that point were the most cash-rich companies in the world. They were the richest in terms of their cash resources. It was an immensely profitable industry. Yeah.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
The litigation and the advertising that began taking place at that time. What time frame is this?
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
So the tobacco industry saw that the writing was on the wall, that they were facing regulatory headwinds, that their consumers were sloughing off. Right. And they began to diversify. And they diversified into the food industry. So by the mid-90s, the two biggest food companies in the world were R.J. Reynolds and Philip Morris. That is astounding. And they took thousands of scientists.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
that were involved, whose job it was to figure out ways to make tobacco more addictive and more attractive. And they switched to doing that for food. And they started developing all of these chemicals that hijack your brain and trick your body. Well, they would mimic the taste of things that are very appetizing, and they would do it with chemical compounds. Intentionally?
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Intentionally, to attract your taste buds, to make them palatable and appetizing and attractive and... And your body eats those things. But, you know, so there's a strawberry flavor, but there's no nutrition in it. There's no strawberry. And your body thinks, oh, I'm eating a strawberry. I'm craving a strawberry. But you're eating it and you're not getting any nutrients.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
You're eating, you know, it's chemicals, so there's no nutrients in it. And so your body is getting starved. And at the same time, you're getting fat because you never, you know, you're never satisfied. Your body knows it's not being fed. And they started putting stuff in food to make it more addictive, like sodiums and sugars. And they also put stuff in food that,
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
that deliberately tricked your brain into thinking that your stomach wasn't full. So one of the things they figured out was that your brain actually gauges the fullness of your belly by counting the number of times you chewed. So there's some part of your brain that is saying, okay, if he chewed a certain amount, he must be full. And so they started putting food softeners into the food. Wow.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
Make it so that you had to chew less. You know, if you eat a Twinkie, you don't even have to chew it. You can inhale it.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
You know, my uncle, Ted Kennedy, conducted hearings in 1970 about agency-captured FDA. And at that time, the conclusion of that hearing is that the FDA was no longer serving the public interest. It had ceased being a public health agency. It was now an agency whose primary focus was maximizing corporate profit-taking.
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169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary
And I can point to 100 of those examples of agency capture, but probably the one most familiar to the American public because there was two big Netflix documentaries on it. One of them called Dope Sick was the opioid epidemic where people from Sackler family that own Purdue Pharmaceuticals captured a FDA official and persuaded him to eliminate
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How America went MAHA
If I'm given the chance to fix the chronic disease crisis and reform our food production, I promise that within two years, we will watch chronic disease burden lift dramatically. We will make Americans healthy again.
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Why volunteering is worth it
But the astonishing thing is my getting involved has even more effect on the success and the happiness and so on of other kids in the school, even the kids I don't actually see. That's this external effect, if I can put it that way. And in some sense, that's the big picture of Bowling Alone, and it's why...
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Why volunteering is worth it
I don't want to claim that I'm a prophet, but in the book Bowling Alone, which was written almost 30 years ago, 25 to 30 years ago, I talked about the decline in these connections, decline in what I called social capital. And I said, gosh, if this continues, it's going to be bad for American democracy. We're going to have more polarized politics and so on. That was 30 years ago.
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Why volunteering is worth it
And the reason that there's now a little bit of a new wave of interest in my work is is that I turned out to be right. I mean, even more right than I thought. If you've not noticed, American politics is in a pickle right now. And the fundamental reason for that is because for the last 30 or 40 years, we as a country have become less and less connected with one another.
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Why volunteering is worth it
In my jargon, less and less social capital. Does that make sense?
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Why volunteering is worth it
Yes. Once upon a time there was a debate, you know, probably now 25 years ago, there was a thought that maybe— Well, we don't actually have to be in somebody's presence. We could see them on Zoom or the social media would be just as good as actual social connections. For quite a while, the evidence has been that Facebook is not as good as bowling leagues.
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Why volunteering is worth it
That is, you don't get the same benefit from connecting with people online. Via social media, as you do from actually connecting with them face to face. That's what the evidence has shown. I can tell you when public opinion on that changed, and it was just about November 25th of 2020, at the height of the pandemic.
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And everybody in America realized that hugging grandma was not the same thing as actually seeing grandma over Zoom. And it isn't.
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Why volunteering is worth it
In the beginning of the 20th century, around about 1900, America was very polarized politically. Our politics were tribal. We were very unequal. It was economically. Big gap between the rich who were living on the Upper East Side of New York and the huddled masses, poor immigrants, on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. Big gaps between rich and poor. We were very socially disconnected.
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And actually also, although I don't want to focus on this too much, it's a true fact, we were culturally very, very much self-centered. We were kind of an I society rather than a we society. We didn't think of ourselves as having a lot in common. And then,
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beginning about 1910, none of these things are super exact, but about 1910, all of those things began to change and they moved in a different, better direction for a half century and more. So from roughly 1910 to roughly 1965 or 1970, every year we became less polarized politically, less socially isolated, less unequal or more equal, and more of a sense of a we society.
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Why volunteering is worth it
So we went from being an I society around 1900 to being a we society around, roughly speaking, 1965. And the movements of the 1960s, which you referred to, but no doubt you don't remember, I do remember that period, that was the culmination of a half century long increase in political participation, increase in connecting with other people,
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Why volunteering is worth it
increase in cooperation across party lines, increase in equality. And then, and I have to say this is just about the time when I personally began to vote, so you may think I personally brought these problems on America, in the middle 60s, all those lines turned. And for the next half century, up to now, Every year, we got more socially isolated, more politically disconnected, more unequal.
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Why volunteering is worth it
The danger to your life expectancy from social isolation is as big a risk factor for premature death as smoking. Now, you probably don't smoke, but if you did smoke and you had a choice, should I cut smoking or should I join a club? By all means, join the club. There are huge personal benefits from connecting with other people, including joining.
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Why volunteering is worth it
So the reason that you or Rachel or anybody else, the most important reason actually that you should connect with other people, you will add years to your life expectancy.
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By the way, you're also going to save American democracy. That's right.
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We're going to create an economy that works for all of us, not just the 1%.
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I'm Robert D. Putnam, but nobody calls me Robert. Nobody who knows me calls me Robert. They call me Bob. And I am a retired professor at Harvard University, and I write books.
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Why volunteering is worth it
I rejoice in millennials volunteering one-on-one for many reasons. It's good for the people they're helping, but it's also good for them. There's a lot of evidence that
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Why volunteering is worth it
if you're volunteering to help somebody else, you're probably getting more benefits out of it than they do because there are all sorts of, I mean, even physiological changes, but certainly people, after you volunteered, you're happier than if you hadn't volunteered. And probably also the person you're helping is better off.
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Why volunteering is worth it
It's one reason to volunteer. You don't have to choose between the reasons. I mean, it's good for you and it's good for those around you. In writing the book Bowling Alone, I talked about a lot of the consequences of our connections with other people, both our actual in-person connections and our connections through political organizations or whatever.
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Why volunteering is worth it
And that is a community in which people are more connected with one another. The whole community functions better, not just the two people involved in a given exchange, but let me give an example from education. If I, as a parent, get involved in my child's school, I join the PTA or I volunteer in the classroom or whatever, that turns out to be good for my child.
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Cafeteria wars
I'll get processed food out of school lunch immediately. About half the school lunch program goes to processed food.
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Robert Fluoride Kennedy Jr.
2006 marks the date when suddenly these gluten allergies began exploding. Interesting. They're putting in 5G to harvest our data and control our behavior. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people.
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Robert Fluoride Kennedy Jr.
You know, coal claims to be cheap and clean. When they say they're clean, we know that's a dirty lie. When they say they're cheap, it's also alive.
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Robert Fluoride Kennedy Jr.
Science is so overwhelming on the link between vaccines and autism. It needs no further research. The research is out there. The CDC's own research.
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Robert Fluoride Kennedy Jr.
If you expose frogs to atrazine, male frogs, it changes their sex and they can actually, they are young. And so the capacity for these chemicals that we are just raining down on our children right now
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Robert Fluoride Kennedy Jr.
NIH needs to be studying to see if there's connections to some of the SSRI and psychiatric drugs people are taking, whether there's connections to video games.
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Robert Fluoride Kennedy Jr.
It's that the agency, the USDA, the FDA have been captured by the industries they're supposed to regulate. And they all have an interest in subsidies and then in mass poisoning the American public.
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No love (on the spectrum) for RFK Jr.
This is coming from an environmental toxin. And somebody made a profit by putting that environmental toxin into our air, our water, our medicines, our food.
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No love (on the spectrum) for RFK Jr.
She found my home. She came to it. She took out of the trunk of her car. a pile of scientific studies that was 18 inches thick. She put it on my front porch, my stoop, and then she rang the bell and then she pointed to that pile and she said, I'm not leaving here until you read those.
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No love (on the spectrum) for RFK Jr.
Her son, Porter Bridges, had been a perfectly healthy kid, got a battery of vaccines when he was two. and lost the ability to speak. He lost the ability to, he lost his toilet training.
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No love (on the spectrum) for RFK Jr.
These are kids who will never pay taxes. They'll never hold a job. I'll never play baseball. I'll never write a poem. I'll never go out on a date.
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No love (on the spectrum) for RFK Jr.
We're going to follow this science no matter what it says, and we will have some of the answers by September.
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No love (on the spectrum) for RFK Jr.
So it's going to be done by credible scientists, by the most credible scientists from all over the world. And we're going to do it very, very quickly.
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Because of AI and because of the digitalization of health records and the mass of health records that are now available to us, we can do this much more quickly than has ever been done in the past.
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Yes, that's a huge change. But no, we don't have a lot of details, unfortunately. That's because all we know is what federal officials said during a 58-second video the Department of Health and Human Services posted on X. Here's HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in that video.
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He was flanked in that video by Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Martin McCary and National Institutes of Health Director Jay Bhattacharya, who basically both seconded Kennedy's decision without much explanation. And federal officials didn't answer any specific questions from NPR or a request for follow-up interviews.
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Well, Kennedy says that there was no evidence that repeated boosters help healthy kids, kids with no risk factors. And FDA Commissioner McCary agreed. Here's what he said.
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And, you know, while that might be true, in this country, this change still is raising a lot of concerns among independent experts.
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Well, one big one is that the decision appears to have been made without going through the normal process of getting input from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's independent advisors. They've been mulling over this very question and are scheduled to meet next month to review all the evidence and make recommendations about this.
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And beyond that, outside experts are worried what this means for the health and safety of pregnant people, kids, and their families.
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Well, one big question is, will insurance companies still pay for the shots, and will people be able to afford it if they don't? Because if the vaccines aren't recommended, insurance companies may very well not pay for them. You know, most healthy older kids are at low risk for serious complications from COVID-19,
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And most parents haven't been getting their kids vaccinated, but some parents still want to immunize their kids, you know, to protect them against even mild disease and long COVID and from bringing the virus home to vulnerable family members like, you know, grandma and grandpa. and pregnant women are at very high risk of serious complications from the virus. And that's not all.
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Their newborn babies are in great danger of getting really sick from COVID, and they're too young to get the shots themselves. The only way to protect them is to vaccinate their moms while they're pregnant so the babies can get antibodies in the womb. I talked about this with Dr. Naima Joseph from the Boston Medical Center. She advises the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
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And, you know, she says this puts pregnant people in a really sticky situation.
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You bet, Michelle. Nice to be here.
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Imported Steel Tariffs Double, White House Rescission Request, Gaza Aid Paused
We know that we, as can makers, pass these increases on to our customers, the food producers and the soft drink makers and the beer brewers, and they'll pass it on to the consumer as well. It's a lose-lose for American consumers.
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Imported Steel Tariffs Double, White House Rescission Request, Gaza Aid Paused
We, as can makers, pass these increases on to our customers.
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ICE Student Arrests, HHS Cuts, Stefanik Nomination Pulled, China Trade City
We have two goals. The first is obvious, to save the taxpayer money. And the second is to radically improve our quality of service.
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ICE Student Arrests, HHS Cuts, Stefanik Nomination Pulled, China Trade City
We have two goals. The first is obvious, to save the taxpayer money by making our department more efficient. And the second is to radically improve our quality of service.
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ICE Student Arrests, HHS Cuts, Stefanik Nomination Pulled, China Trade City
I think most Americans would agree with me that throwing more money at health care isn't going to solve the problem or would have solved it already. Obviously, what we've been doing hasn't worked. That's why we're making this dramatic overhaul.