Will Sommer

wait a minute, maybe things are a little more complex.

Maybe I shouldn't be rushing out to get married by 21 and become a homemaker.

Maybe I need to sort of live my own life first.

Because I think this has been kind of a disaster for trads in general.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I think this is what interests me about this.

I think all this talk about like gender roles or what the ideal masculinity is or what a marriage should be, because then when you look often, what are these people's marriages like?

What are they what are they up to?

And it's not just like imperfect.

It's like a horror show.

You know, I mean, this audio came out of Elijah Schaefer berating his wife.

I mean, we saw this happen before with Steven Crowder, the very prominent podcaster, you know, yelling at his own very pregnant wife.

And it's just these these like just twisted things.

I mean, you know,

Supposedly, Elijah Schaefer and Sarah Stock first hooked up at CPAC, which is one of the big conservative conventions.

I mean, you hear these stories about CPAC or the Turning Point USA convention.

These like people will say, well, you know, you were like doing sex acts in the hotel lobby and everyone was around.

I mean, it's like a bacchanal.

Yeah, you know, that's an interesting case.

I mean, again, you have a situation where a guy is like kind of posing as this very like traditional moralist heterosexual family man.