Will Sommer

So I think it's something that people on the right watch really closely in terms of who's in and who's out.

Yeah, that's right.

I mean, it is striking that someone like Ted Cruz isn't on the list.

I would say Turning Point is also, I mean, you mentioned that it's kind of AmFest has surpassed CPAC.

I mean, this is where the energy is, particularly after the Charlie Kirk assassination.

I mean, the question is sort of, is it going to be Turning Point or is Candace going to get a slice of the action, something like that, rather than is it going to be, you know, the National Review or Ben Shapiro?

I mean, those people are more or less out in the cold.

They have kind of their legacy audiences.

They're not really driving anything.

Yeah, it seems like he's trying to set himself up as sort of like, you know, a little mix of Trumpism and a little mix of the old Republican Party.

And we're going to combine it.

Whereas J.D.

Vance seems sort of like this.

We're going to go really mega on this or the least, I would say, appetizing aspects of Trump to the non sort of mega base with a little like kind of this techno authoritarianism, this this new right aspect of, you know, we got to do it to our enemies before they do it to us.

And, you know, certainly I think J.D.

Vance's people see Ted Cruz as potentially their biggest rival amid the previous controversy over Tucker Carlson interviewing Nick Fuentes.

The Heritage Foundation got caught up in all this stuff.

The Vance partisans were saying this is really kind of like a proxy war between basically Ted Cruz's people, people like Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro.

They're only heightening this issue because they know that J.D.

Vance has ties to Tucker and they're trying to damage J.D.