Will Sommer

You know, it sort of seems like was this real?

Maybe maybe they don't want to get this into a courtroom and get it into discovery.

Yeah, he was gay and then supposedly, you know, he was gay and then he supposedly became ex-gay and he became like a real trad Catholic guy.

He would go on like Catholic QVC and sell Bibles or sell like relics.

And then, you know, more recently, I think he's sort of just lapsed into this kind of general like,

provocateur troublemaker role where he's like constantly digging up dirt on other people on the right which i think is as you know you and i following these characters i i think it's certainly interesting there's always a storyline that he's found

I am.

I think we're seeing both the rise of what they call themselves tradcasts.

So people who they really love the Latin mass.

Typically, these are converts, you know, like JD Vance, who see the Catholic Church as sort of a I don't know if they see the kind of like the the non denominational evangelical thing is a little like D class A for them.

and they want sort of a more elevated version of those kind of hard right religious values.

And there's also been a rise of even Greek or Russian Orthodox converts in the United States who were very political and right wing.

Elijah Schaeffer, for example, I believe he wears an Orthodox cross.

I believe he's an Orthodox convert.

So it's all these kind of different identities people are trying on.

I should say, you know, Sarah Stock only converted to Catholicism, I think, like less than a year ago and had become this kind of big, oh, you know, I'm back, you know, I'm going to live like it's the Middle Ages kind of person.

And so often I think particularly with these media personalities, I think it's like they're kind of trying on different garbs for content, essentially.

You know, I'm not totally sure, but I mean, there are a lot.

I mean, Candace Owens, for example, is a Catholic convert.

I mean, she's in the course.