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Willem Ave

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

Humans using computers are also not deterministic, even if clicking the button is 100% deterministic.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

And this is where I think there's really interesting UI challenges and things that we're working on and going to be releasing kind of in our spring release next year is how can we have...

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

These large language models prompt the user with actual generative interface.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

I'll give you another example.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

So I want to bulk update all the prices of my menu, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

Let's say increase prices by 5%.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

In one world, you would just have the agent go do that and commit those changes, and those would go live on your point of sale and your buyer services.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

That's pretty risky, in my opinion.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

Another path you could be, say,

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

okay, I'm going to generate a form and a list of all the things I want to change.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

And then the user, the customer needs to go click, okay, boop.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

And then that actually goes and commits those changes.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

And I think that's the next frontier after we've done a lot of work as an industry on kind of this tool use agentic thing is like, how do we have more natural interactions in a generative UI construct?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

to to help sellers uh kind of use these tools and i think that the realization behind all of that was that if you look at most ui it's really forms and lists of things

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

So it's pretty straightforward to have these large language models generate those UIs.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

And then what you can actually do is for the longest time, the builders of tools, like the software teams, were specifying and designing the user interfaces.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

I think for the first time ever, the interface is generated by the customer or the user.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

I think that's a pretty profound way to think about what the future over the next couple of years is going to be with how these products are going to be built.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a very interesting philosophical discussion.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money

I think the way that I would think about this is, you know, back in the day where, you know, I used computers back then too with file systems and dragging, you know, as we've built more software on top of those things, we've been able to do more with the tools, right?