William Doyle

It's about 5%, maybe 10%, depending on how you measure it.

That's compared to the United States at 20% to 30%, depending.

And that, in my opinion, is one of the greatest measurements of a society's spirituality or compassion or, for that matter, religious emphasis.

I found it as an expat, as a friendly American, to have no problem making friends and connecting with people here.

There are no barriers to that.

I would tell you, Georgia, that a big part of

What you're identifying, I think, is compared to the United States, there's a tremendous lack of stress.

And what I mean is in the United States, we are in fear of medical bankruptcy, which is almost unheard of here, which you can fall into very, very easily in the United States.

That's terrible stress.

Generational education debt.

where you have to pay off your university debt for 10, 20, 30 years is unheard of here because the society decided that higher education should be free, very good higher education.

That may strike people as a radical communist idea, but I think it's one of the ultimate conservative ideas.

You know, the education system here was created by business, business leaders who thought that we need a free, universal education

through higher education excellent uh education system to be competitive and to sort of outsource that to a highly efficient well-run government system again not perfect but it's a different way of looking at education i think if americans could just release their ideological uh blinders sometimes and think of just practical things what what could work what could work better

Come to Finland, see what's happening here and make it even better in the United States.

That's what I think we should do.

Well, you know, Georgia, again, I keep coming back to socialism.

It depends on how you define socialism.

There's Stalinist socialism, there's Nazi socialism, and there's, I suppose, the socialism that the Nordic countries, Finland and several others, have.

But what's extraordinary is that...