Willow Defebaugh

And I think more so than solving climate change like a problem, I think more about how do we heal that trauma, right?

How do we heal the trauma of separation?

Part of why I was so excited to talk with you is because as a writer, I try to use language to help people reconnect

to the living world.

And also, there's a certain point at which language fails, where words fail.

I'm really interested in the space where art and the visual arts can carry us further into that sort of unspeakable place.

And I'm wondering, do you think art can be what heals this trauma of separation?

Thank you so much for having me.

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And thank you.

You brought in the word embodiment or embodied, which I really appreciate it because I think in so many ways that is an antidote to the numbness and the dissociation that often comes with trauma, right?

And I think the first work of yours that I saw in person was Riverbed in New York.

And I remember having this feeling of seeing this ecosystem, but in the context of...

a space that was so unnatural, right?

And it brought me into my body in a way that...

helped me to move forward, to feel, to process.

And of course, there's so many questions around, okay, well, what comes after that?

How does that turn into action?

But I think that that is deeply valuable.