Willow Defebaugh

First of all, I just want to underline science is a reverence for reality.

Chef's kiss, beautifully said.

And also, you know, what struck me in what you were sharing earlier also is you started, you majored in chemistry in high school.

Did you arrive at poetry through science?

Science came first for you.

And both are attempts in one way or another to articulate the ineffable.

Yeah, to capture infinity.

But I was struck by that because I actually, you know, we have a shared love of science and poetry.

But for me, it was the reverse.

For me growing up, I was such a literature kid.

I loved poetry.

And then I fell in love with science later.

How?

I mean, honestly, through Atmos, really.

And I think the more I learned about ecology, the more to me it felt like the poetic expression of nature.

And I think also, you know, it's so easy to take for granted what you learn in school when you're young.

even we're talking about history right and it's like we we take certain facts for granted and then you grow up and you actually understand that there's a blueprint and a precedent for so much of what we're what we face but speaking of science and poetry we should probably tell everyone about our little our little side hustle do you want to do the honors so okay this comes back to how we met which was on a loom in a farm the loom is so important the loom is so important um

We owe birds for dreaming.

Well, also, mine was about life and death.

So also, I remember we were on this like beautiful grass, grassy meadow field.