Winston Peters

If I can give you just a summation of these things.

You remember INSYS?

Yes.

That's a computer program.

What a disaster that was.

And the National Library, again, a computer program just blew up with no operational capacity.

The roads of national significance transmission gully went broken by 2018, and now the tar seal has been proven to be inadequate or totally improper as a surface, so that it's been re-tar sealed within two years of the establishment of it.

You've got the ripping off of the taxpayer in that context.

You've got light rail that's almost 280 million nought when it wasn't one metre laid.

Yeah, no, but I'm just saying to you, this is over and over again, this is constructive theft as far as I'm concerned.

In this case, they knew full well that the information for the ministers was so bad, they disguised it and kept it from those ministers.

Now, there's only one.

Yes, they did.

They spent money on a hopeless cause without the intent of fulfilling it.

No, that's not stealing.

It's being incompetent.

Oh, well, you can give those excuses.

That's probably the reason why we are where we are.

This is probably where we are in the OECD because of this sort of behaviour.

OK, all I'm saying is I don't think... Excuse me, excuse me.