Winston Weinberg

It's very important to go through a couple stages, basically.

I see stage one as product market fit.

Stage two is company market fit.

In other words, have you created the structures of your company that are the same as traditional B2B SaaS or whatever, consumer SaaS, whatever you're doing?

And what's different?

And there are differences.

And any VC who says that there are no differences at this point hopefully has changed their mind.

There are differences.

And it's different based off of what vertical and which company you're trying to build.

So you have your product market fit, then you have company market fit, and then do you know what you want to go right back to?

Reinventing product market fit again, right?

And so it feels like there's a cycle of doing that.

And I think for us and like me personally, some of our first like couple of years was product market fit.

Last year was company market fit.

I'm back to product market fit again, where it's like what I spend a lot of my time on is like what is the direction of our company and our product for the next six months, year, et cetera.

And now you can start thinking like that.

Yeah.

So we, it was funny.

This is, I think it was our offsite in 2024.

And I remember we kicked off 2025 and the first thing I did is go up and I said, Hey, we had a good year, but I'm pretty sure Anthropix at like 3 billion in revenue right now.