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Yuval Levin

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
478 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

Is it something different?

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

How do you see the actual management structure of all this activity?

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

I guess one reason, though, I'm a little skeptical of describing it so rationally is that

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

Yes, at some level, Donald Trump is a final decision maker, and he does say no to certain Stephen Miller ideas.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

But if you listen to an interview with Donald Trump, if you watch him speak, if you read about or talk to people who brief him, Trump is a very erratic mind.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

is one way to put it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

Somebody who used to brief him once, I've always remembered this description, they described briefing Donald Trump as chasing a squirrel around a garden.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

And I don't want to say he's manipulated by his advisors because I don't think it's quite that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

But they do know which code words and intuitions and ideas excite him.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

And he moves towards his own excitement.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

There's something very intentional.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

He's like his own Twitter algorithm.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

And, you know, he brings conversations back to his victories or to, you know, renovating, you know, the East Wing of the White House.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

There was reporting on how once Rubio figured out he could describe Maduro as a drug lord, like a crime kingpin, that seemed to trigger for Donald Trump.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

And so you look at the way people in the White House and in the administration tweet, and sometimes it feels to me like a lot of people vying for the king's attention as much as anything else.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

And yes, they're doing it based off of a theory of what he wants.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

But he doesn't pay attention to dull, drab things.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

You got to do something big to get his notice.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

I did a conversation with my colleague at Times Opinion, Masha Gessen, and their frame of reference is Russia under Vladimir Putin and the turn to autocracy there.

The Ezra Klein Show
Has Trump Achieved a Lot Less Than It Seems?

And something they said to me is that there are democratic metrics for what is happening in a country and a system, and there are autocratic metrics for what is happening in a country and a system.