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Yuval Noah Harari

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1794 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Now we are living at the moment in a moment of crisis of liberalism.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

One of the reasons is that over the last few decades, liberalism has kind of lost touch with something that was a close ally of it for many generations, which is nationalism.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

You know, in the 19th century, liberalism and nationalism go hand in hand.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And if you look at at least some places in the world today, like Ukraine, they still go hand in hand.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

The Ukrainians are fighting at one at the same time for their national survival and independence and for liberal democracy.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

There is no contradiction between the two.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

You know, I would say that since 1789, nobody managed to think about anything new in the political realm.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

The French Revolution came up with this kind of ideological package, which was complex.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Liberty, equality, fraternity.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And people tend to forget the third one, fraternity.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Fraternity is the national community.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And you can say that the whole of political history since 1789 is experimenting with different combinations of this trio.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And every movement that tried to completely abandon one of these three failed.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Fascism was all about fraternity, no equality, no liberty.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Communism emphasized one, equality, at the expense of liberty, and to some extent fraternity.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

One of the explanations of what is happening to liberalism in recent decades, liberalism focused on equality and liberty, but tended to forget fraternity.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And this proved to be untenable.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Yeah, and I think the important thing to emphasize here, I mean, the reason that liberalism kind of lost touch with fraternity is that some people told a very negative story about fraternity, seeing it primarily in terms of conflict with other communities.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

That fraternity is about hating and fighting with other nations.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And if we remember that, no, as we said in the beginning, the essence of fraternity is caring and loving a certain group of people.