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Yuval Noah Harari

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The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

This is going to be the major, I think, issue of sovereignty.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

for countries all over the world, especially if almost all the AI immigrants are either Americans or Chinese and down the road, not loyal even to the US or to China, but to something else.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And one way to do it is to have a ban on AI personhood.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

It doesn't mean to stop the technological development of AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

It's more of a legal and political issue.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Does human society recognize AIs as persons?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Persons is different from human beings, from entities with bodies and minds.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

But in many legal systems, like in the US, something can be a person, even if it's not human.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

The best example we have so far are corporations.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

According to US law, for instance, Google is a person, Microsoft is a person, X is a person, because corporations are persons.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And this gives the corporation rights, like you can own a bank account, you can lobby politicians, you can donate money to politicians.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Now, it will be extremely dangerous at this point for any country to recognize AIs as persons, to allow AIs, for instance, to open a bank account or manage a company by themselves.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Previously, when corporations were recognized as persons, this was legal fiction because all the decisions of the corporation were ultimately made by some human being.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Microsoft is a person, according to US law, but every decision Microsoft makes to buy another company, to fire somebody, to hire somebody, there is a human being who really makes this decision.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

There is no Microsoft who makes the decision.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

With AI, for the first time in history, we have a practical potential for companies without humans.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

You can have millions, even billions of AIs opening their own companies, their own bank accounts, even hiring people to work for them, deciding on their investment strategy and whatever.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And they will have huge advantages over human companies.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

For instance, the AI CEO never sleeps.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

The AI CEO never goes on vacation.