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Yuval Noah Harari

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The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And some countries, I can imagine, say a country like Qatar, which has a lot of money, a lot of energy, and very few citizens, saying, oh, wonderful, I can now have millions of AI citizens paying taxes and building companies that trade and do business all over the world.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

So even if your country doesn't allow AIs,

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

to build their own companies, what do you do about the Qatari AI companies?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

The moment you recognize AIs as legal persons, this is the moment you really lose control.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Because then they can start doing a lot of things in the economic and social and political arena without any human accountability.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

including, for instance, to donate money to politicians in exchange for the politicians taking care of giving more rights to AI persons.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

The companies who produce the AIs have a vested interest in not having any liability.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

So they are pushing very, very hard for AI personhood.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Now, they don't want a bill in Congress saying, we recognize AIs as persons because there will be a huge public outcry and resistance.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

They try to establish facts on the ground.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

They already succeeded, for instance, in social media.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

In the universe of social media, AIs are already persons.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Like if you have bots creating and spreading lies on social media, effectively there is almost no liability.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

On social media, they are functionally persons.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

You communicate with someone online, you think it's a person, no, it's an AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And nobody's liable for that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Many of the companies would like to extend this situation to the financial system, to the political system, because it releases them of accountability and liability.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

We need to be proactive and have a law that clearly states no AI persons.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And I imagine there would be parties and support for that law, and it will put the companies in a very hard spot, because if they would try to lobby against the law, they will have to explain to the public, why do you think it's a good idea that AI will be persons?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And if you don't think that, why do you oppose the law?