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Yuval Noah Harari

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The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

I think that there is a chance, it's not a certainty, but there is a chance because in the training of AI, there is a very high cost to disregarding truth.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

So maybe to take a concrete example, let's say that you're Russia and you're trying to develop your own Russian AI and you give it access to enormous amount of data and information, otherwise you can't train your AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

When somebody asks in Russia or outside Russia, is Russia a democracy?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Is there freedom of speech in Russia?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

You want the AI to say, yes, of course, Russian constitution guarantees freedom of speech and Russia is a democracy.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

This will mean that you need to explain to the AI why it needs to lie.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And how do you train an AI to lie only in certain cases and not in all cases?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

That's a very difficult engineering challenge, which people did not have with the social media algorithms.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Exactly.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Like if you tell the AI, you are the government of Uganda, and you think that there are no gay people in Uganda, all the gay people in Uganda, they are brainwashed by Western propaganda, and you want the AI to give this answer, the AI will need to ignore a lot of scientific research on human sexuality and on what causes people to have this or that sexual orientation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Now, how do you explain to the AI that you need to ignore articles appearing in scientific literature in this case, but you can trust them in other cases?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

It's a very difficult engineering problem.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And if this is the top priority of the regime,

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Like you are Saudi Arabia and you have billions and billions of dollars and you want to make sure that the AI will not criticize MBS, you can do that if that's your top priority.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

But you can do that only with a few cases.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

If you try to do it with too many things, you will get a very crappy AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Information does two very different things in the universe.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Sometimes you try to analyze information to discover something about the world.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Like you want to discover the laws of physics.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

You want to understand what is the cause of some disease.