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Zach Dell

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
901 total appearances

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

That's $1,600 of margin on $6,500 of upfront cost net of the ITC.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

That's on the order of like a four-ish year payback on an unlevered basis with generation one.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Our strategy as a company is to drop our cost structure over time with successive hardware generations.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So with Gen 2, we'll bring more of the design in-house, more of the manufacturing in-house.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

We'll have better control over the supply chain.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And our costs will go from roughly $10,000 to get a battery in the ground to close to $8,000 to get a battery in the ground.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

That takes the paybacks from four years to three years.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

I'm using high-level numbers, obviously, so people can check my math.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

With Gen 3...

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

We potentially will build our own factory and manufacture these things entirely ourselves.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And we'll take that, what was $10,000, Gen 2 to $8,000, Gen 3 to $6,000.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And now the payback looks like a two, two and a half year payback on an unlevered basis.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

When you introduce leverage, the returns start to get extremely attractive.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

For what it's worth, these are on the order of 10 to 15 year useful life assets, depending on how many times you cycle them.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

A four, three, two year unlevered payback on a 10, 15 year useful life is a really attractive unlevered IRR.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Batteries are quite bankable.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Now, merchant batteries are less bankable than batteries that have a contractual offtake agreement.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So what merchant means is you're participating in this energy arbitrage where in one year, like 2023, you could make $100 a kilowatt hour.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And another year, like 2024, you can make $20 a kilowatt hour.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And there's inherent risk in that volatility.