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Zach Dell

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
901 total appearances

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Obviously, there's upside, but there's obviously downside.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And so the loan-to-value or the amount of leverage you're able to get on a merchant battery in ERCOT is much lower than the loan-to-value

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

you're able to get on a contracted battery in ERCOT.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So you see LTVs on contractual battery assets in ERCOT in the 70s and 80s.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Now, Merchant is probably much lower than that, and they're harder precedents to find, but they're going to be on the order of 30%, 40%, 50% loan-to-value.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

If you look at our cash flow stream, the biggest chunk of it, that $1,200, that $40 kilowatt hour times 30 kilowatt hours is merchant exposure today.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Now, we're working on different ideas and opportunities to make some of that contractual, and there are interesting financial products you can get involved with that help with that.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

But assuming that is merchant, the $200 of retail energy margin and the $200 of customer payments, those are more contractual.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

because the customer signs a contract with us, they're with us for the life of the battery, they pay us every month for electricity, and if they wanna keep that battery in their house, they're gonna pay that $17 a month.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And so those look a lot more like contracts than the merchant.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

If we can get our loan to value to 50%, those 20 to 30% of levered IRRs obviously go up really significantly.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So we think it's a really attractive financial asset

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

If you're able to do all of the really hard engineering to drive that upfront cost from 10 to eight to six, and then also the engineering to be able to monetize that asset in the wholesale markets and support the customer and do all those other things.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And then I think there are really interesting adjacencies to go downstream into the home.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Solar is the obvious one.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

We can talk about that.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

If you've got a battery and inverter on the home, you're selling the homeowner power every month, you've been to their house, you have pictures of their panel and their meter, you're really well set up to go add solar to the equation.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

But there are really interesting home energy products that we're excited about.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Smart EV charging, electric water heaters, electric heat pumps, other appliances in the home that can be electrified.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

That when you have a battery on the home, which is really like a computer on the circuits,