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Zach Dell

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
901 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

The truth...

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

is, though, that the Chinese and the Koreans have been on the bleeding edge of battery chemistry for a long time.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Interestingly, for a long time, it was really just NMC chemistries that were getting built at production scale.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And the Chinese made a bet on LFP much quicker than the Koreans did.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And so now companies like Samsung and SK and LG are trying to catch up with regards to LFP capacity.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And the Chinese companies like Cattle and BYD and Goshen are far ahead in LFP production capacity.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So if you want to buy an LFP battery today, you basically can't do it outside of China.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Now that's changing.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

A bunch of companies have gotten started in the US over the last decade to spin up LFP capacity.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And basically all of them have run out of money before getting to production scale.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Obviously, the Northvolt Unraveling has been well-documented now that that's not a US-based company.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Other companies, Arnex Energy, Core, American Battery Factory, there's kind of a graveyard of businesses that have tried to get this kind of manufacturing capacity off the ground.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

The reality is building an LFP factory, and I've been to many of them at this point, they're not quite semiconductor complexity, but they're pretty darn close.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So they take billions of dollars and many years to get up to production scale.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And the Chinese are really, really far ahead.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

There's some really incredible engineering at the Korean companies, and they're working fast and they're making good progress.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And you're seeing a bunch of JVs with the auto OEMs that are plowing CapEx into the supply chain.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So that's a trend that we benefit really strongly from, which is that all the auto OEMs are investing super heavily in the battery value chain.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

That's driving the cost of these cells down.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

If you look at the cost curves of LFP cells and NMC cells, they've come down extremely dramatically over the last decade.