Zach Guthrie

Next time a bloke goes back with a flight and makes minimal force for front-on contact, why don't you just say, oh, I don't think the level of force meets the standard?

Because it's up to adjudication.

It's up to that umpire at that time to believe that it's either met the threshold or it hasn't.

I'm not saying it's an easy game to umpire.

I think you are a raised bum.

That's what you are.

What you're seeing is the boat runs with a flight and the guy, the forward is eyes up, the fender comes back with his back to the ball and it makes a minimal free kick.

And you go, hang on, what Ray just said to me, the level of force is not...

No, you're talking about a completely different incident now.

Well, Rochelle, he had his back to the ball.

No, but we're talking... He did.

He wasn't in the marking contest, had his back to the ball, made front-on contact and pushed the bloke.

Well, because he didn't meet the threshold of unduly rough play, of unduly...

undue contact.

They pushed him into the fence.

He didn't push him into the fence.

He did not.

I think Ray's got to you.

No, he hasn't got to me, but I thought that he explained that beautifully last night.

Anyway, let's move on to the much bigger story.