Zach Lloyd

So, take that for what it's worth.

But yeah, he's a significant investor.

no way benny off's your cousin benny off's my second cousin yeah i was you know i have pictures of me and him hanging out as a kid when when i was a kid and he was at he was at usc so i grew up in la and i have a very distinct memory like he was always like like precocious as a business person i have very distinct memories of him picking me up from my house as a kid and he had this white bmw convertible my parents being like that's your cousin mark he's gonna

be really successful or maybe he was already like at Oracle being kind of successful.

And I remember riding around with him.

But yeah, he's my cousin.

I've heard him on your podcast, by the way.

Well, he was, he's been in all the funding rounds.

I don't know.

I wanted like, I wanted some variety.

And plus like Mark, Mark's awesome.

But Mark's not like sitting down with me and being like, here's, here's how to think about like your customer base.

Mark's not like closing candidates for me.

I just want to be, be clear.

Whereas like, you know, Andrew or even Dylan sometimes will help do that kind of thing.

So Mark's awesome.

Andrew and Dylan will close, will close candidates and customers for you.

Well, candidates, yes.

Customers, I haven't been asking them to do that.

But yeah, if I'm like, we have this incredible engineer who I want to join the team, can you explain to them why they should join Warp?