Zeke Hernandez

Right.

To the point where like the next generation doesn't see what immigrants bring as exotic.

So we also have to take a long term view.

Right.

It's not like immigrants will change and disrupt society so quickly that we cannot adapt.

So, yeah, that's what the social science tells us.

I think it's really important to separate two things, right?

It's immigrants and what they do and the immigration systems we have in place to manage the flow, right?

Empirically speaking, there's very little that's wrong with the first, right?

When immigrants arrive, like I said, they bring those five economic things.

They're highly adaptable.

They're law abiding.

Something we haven't talked about is that the myth of immigrants increasing crime is just a myth.

It's exactly the opposite.

So what immigrants do is,

is overwhelmingly positive.

There are not too many negatives there.

The systems we use to manage their flow though, there's a lot of negatives.

And so in as much as we see negatives, whether it's social backlash or concern or disorder or chaos, it's like Sonia was saying, it's because we don't have proper systems.

And so I think what's wrong is just that we, if you look at most countries with very, very few exceptions, the way countries have designed their immigration systems has been under the principle of keeping people out, blocking them, right?