Zeke Hernandez

We don't want these people as opposed to the premise, immigrants bring these positive things and let's design a system around harnessing those benefits in a way that is orderly.

Right.

That is certainly true of the US system.

That is certainly true of most systems in Europe and in large immigrant receiving countries.

So when you change the default from blockage to flow, you get a very different system.

The problem is that we don't think about it that way.

And it comes down to, like Sonia was saying, a flashpoint where too many people arrive in one single location, you know, in a short period of time.

And so I think that a lot of it comes down to not so much managing immigration, but managing infrastructure.

For example, if too many people settle in one place at the same time, you are going to get something like a housing shortage or the roads will be crowded or schools will be a little bit crowded.

But that tells us more about our inability to be thoughtful and build infrastructure effectively than about what immigrants do themselves.

Does that make sense?

So a lot of it is about we don't have good systems to manage flows of people.

And I think it probably would be worth spending a few minutes on that.

But maybe I'll stop there for now.

Let me let me perhaps say it even more strongly and more provocatively.

You know, we're in a moment right now where it seems like immigration is unpopular.

It's not on average, but it is for many governments.

But I think we're going to see a future very soon where countries are going to go from immigration choosers that is, you know, kind of choosing their pick of the litter to immigration beggars.

Countries will be desperate for people.

And it's simple math.