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Zoë Grünewald

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515 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

I was thinking about, you know, this relationship between managing Xi Jinping and Donald Trump, and it kind of reminded me a bit of wedding planning.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

In that you kind of have to make everybody, you know, especially in a blended family, right?

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

You kind of have to make everyone feel included.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

You have to make them feel valued.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

But every seating plan could be an insult.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

Every speech could be, you know, freighted with meaning.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

But rather than getting like a passive aggressive text or a frosty speech, you know, you could get

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

the invasion of Scotland.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

It is pretty big stakes on either side.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

So that tightrope is very, very difficult anyway, but especially when Donald Trump is putting as much pressure as he can on other countries now to distance themselves from China.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

It's not great.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

You know, it's going to be like some investment, but not too much involvement in our infrastructure.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

You know, we're going to work closely with you, but not so closely that we're going to piss anyone off.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

It's Goldilocks.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

It's Goldilocks.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

I think if he can come back with some investment and no ire from Donald Trump, he'll chalk that up as a win.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

But what can he actually do?

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

I think that's true.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

I mean, we are deeply economically entangled with China already.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

Our supply chains, you know, our clean energy technologies, our consumer goods.