Zoë Grünewald

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1,028 appearances 5 recordings 1 series first heard Sep 2024 last heard 9 Jul

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Pod Save the UK · ‘The Sleaze By-Election’: Farage Resigns…and Runs Again?! Plus, World War Three is here w/ Hannah Lucinda Smith · 9 Jul 2026 podcast

Talk to us about what exactly has changed there.

And when you talk about NATO being relevant again, I mean, clearly it's been spoken about, but is it still powerful?

Should we still have confidence in NATO as an organisation?

I did want to ask about NATO, and please forgive me if this is too much of an entry-level question, but I think it's worth asking.

You know, look, I'm a brown woman.

I think anyone listening to this who's got relatives in the Global South, you know, there's not such a warm feeling towards NATO.

We're talking about NATO in the context of defence here, but in many parts of the world, they see NATO as a form of American aggression, American...

you might even say imperialism.

And so whilst we can talk about defence, for other people it's not defence, it's war, it's takeovers, it's that sort of thing.

How much does the merit of that argument mean that we should still cling on to something like NATO?

Because if NATO has become an arm of American aggression, maybe it's safer for Britain to not be involved with that.

But on the point that fundamentally the biggest player in NATO is America, and you do have Donald Trump, who is very aggressive, where the union of NATO ceases to be about defence and starts to become about aggression, does it serve those smaller countries within it to be drawn into it?

Does it keep us safe?

So with all that in mind, what is the significance of the summit right now?

I mean, what would be a best case scenario for us in the UK for Keir Starmer to come back with?

I feel like I'm surprised by that.

I feel like there would have been lots to discuss.

It's like a, I mean, it's like a very negative version of giving birth.

Do you know what I mean?

You know, like when you're trying to work out, you time the contractions and they get closer and closer together and then, you know, the big event is coming.

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