Zoë Grünewald
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1,028 appearances
5 recordings
1 series
first heard Sep 2024
last heard 9 Jul
Zoë Grünewald’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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Her new book Hinterlands is a journey through the edges of Europe, painting a portrait of overlooked and disputed territories.
Hannah, welcome to Pod Save the UK.
Thank you for having me.
So, Hannah, I just want to kick off by saying I'm so glad that we're going to have a conversation, obviously, about defence.
And of course, that means a conversation about war.
It's wonderful to have that conversation with a woman.
Oh, thank you very much.
Don't want to trade in stereotypes.
I know women can be more among us as well.
But something that I have really noticed is the kind of sportification of war that happens with men, men in power and men correspondents as well.
I don't know if that's something you've noticed, but...
I'm glad to have this chat with you.
Let's kick it off.
So last month you said in an interview that since moving back to London, you were surprised and frustrated by the level of complacency we have in the UK about the fact that the world is extremely dangerous and that we are very, very close to a Europe-wide conflict.
So what's going on?
Are we in denial or is it some combination of just being badly informed and denial?
What's going on?
Hannah, you've spoken about NATO essentially becoming relevant again after decades of underfunding, but also just especially here in the UK, you know, just that almost artificial sense of security.
We didn't have to worry too much because we were a part of NATO and therefore we were kind of protected there.
But obviously that's changed.
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