Zoe Gardner

Like the Rwanda plan also, it has human rights disaster written all over it. So there are some ways in which it's better. Albania is closer to being a true democracy than Rwanda was. Albania is under the purview of the European Court of Human Rights. So there are mechanisms where migrants will be able to find some level of redress.

Like the Rwanda plan also, it has human rights disaster written all over it. So there are some ways in which it's better. Albania is closer to being a true democracy than Rwanda was. Albania is under the purview of the European Court of Human Rights. So there are mechanisms where migrants will be able to find some level of redress.

There's also things like pregnant women or children will not be included in the people sent there. So once again, men get a kicking. We don't care about brown men. But yes, there are differences. But ultimately, it comes down to the fact that these will be people locked up in offshore camps and For long, long periods, conditions will be atrocious.

There's also things like pregnant women or children will not be included in the people sent there. So once again, men get a kicking. We don't care about brown men. But yes, there are differences. But ultimately, it comes down to the fact that these will be people locked up in offshore camps and For long, long periods, conditions will be atrocious.

Suicide, self-harm will definitely be a feature of these camps. Abuses, just squalor. It's horrific and everybody should be against it. It's different to Rwanda, but it has a lot of the same problems. And ultimately, of course, it won't work.

Suicide, self-harm will definitely be a feature of these camps. Abuses, just squalor. It's horrific and everybody should be against it. It's different to Rwanda, but it has a lot of the same problems. And ultimately, of course, it won't work.

Yeah. So, I mean, over the whole of Europe, the number one nationality of people seeking asylum is Syrian and in the UK it's Afghans. So we're talking about people who are leaving from countries where situations are unlivable. It's also important to note we're talking about countries where your passport has the least value. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, over the whole of Europe, the number one nationality of people seeking asylum is Syrian and in the UK it's Afghans. So we're talking about people who are leaving from countries where situations are unlivable. It's also important to note we're talking about countries where your passport has the least value. Yeah.

So UK passport gets you visa-free or visa on arrival entry to almost every country in the world. A Syrian passport, an Afghan passport. There is no way to travel legally out of those countries. Not to the UK, but not to any other European country, not to any safe country where there is real opportunity to rebuild your life. And that is why people do so in such dangerous means.

So UK passport gets you visa-free or visa on arrival entry to almost every country in the world. A Syrian passport, an Afghan passport. There is no way to travel legally out of those countries. Not to the UK, but not to any other European country, not to any safe country where there is real opportunity to rebuild your life. And that is why people do so in such dangerous means.

And you look at that list of the least powerful countries, passports, they are the most dangerous countries and they are the countries where people are taking irregular journeys from. I wonder why.

And you look at that list of the least powerful countries, passports, they are the most dangerous countries and they are the countries where people are taking irregular journeys from. I wonder why.

Okay, so I have three problems with the story. But first of all, I just want to ask, at what number does it become mass? Because mass migration, we've all apparently accepted that we're experiencing mass migration. I don't know when it became mass. And I would really love a definition, just to define the term so that we can talk on an equal playing field. But... Aside from that, yeah.

Okay, so I have three problems with the story. But first of all, I just want to ask, at what number does it become mass? Because mass migration, we've all apparently accepted that we're experiencing mass migration. I don't know when it became mass. And I would really love a definition, just to define the term so that we can talk on an equal playing field. But... Aside from that, yeah.

First of all, the headline there talks about low-paid migrants and it doesn't talk about the most striking OBR finding, which is that the average migrant actually makes an immense fiscal contribution. as soon as they arrive in the UK, they start contributing economically to the UK. So it's just misleading straight off the bat.

First of all, the headline there talks about low-paid migrants and it doesn't talk about the most striking OBR finding, which is that the average migrant actually makes an immense fiscal contribution. as soon as they arrive in the UK, they start contributing economically to the UK. So it's just misleading straight off the bat.

Second problem, talks about low-paid migrants, doesn't talk about the structural issues that create low pay in this country. And spoiler, it's not migration. Disproportionately, migrants are represented in public sector roles, including healthcare and social care. These are areas where the government sets the pay scale. And it is the government's decision to set pay low.

Second problem, talks about low-paid migrants, doesn't talk about the structural issues that create low pay in this country. And spoiler, it's not migration. Disproportionately, migrants are represented in public sector roles, including healthcare and social care. These are areas where the government sets the pay scale. And it is the government's decision to set pay low.

I've never actually met a worker in any line of work who was the person saying, don't raise my wages. It's not the workers who hold down the wages. It is structures of oppression, greed, and capitalism, and just underfunding from government that hold down wages. So you want to talk about low paid workers, you know, you need to talk about the service they are providing.

I've never actually met a worker in any line of work who was the person saying, don't raise my wages. It's not the workers who hold down the wages. It is structures of oppression, greed, and capitalism, and just underfunding from government that hold down wages. So you want to talk about low paid workers, you know, you need to talk about the service they are providing.