Zoe Gardner

And the service they are providing is, frankly, in the case of carers and doctors, priceless, absolutely priceless and necessary for our country. So their calculation in terms of these crude fiscal measures does not take into account that we desperately need these people. And finally, obviously, it just reduces people to just economic units rather than human beings.

And the service they are providing is, frankly, in the case of carers and doctors, priceless, absolutely priceless and necessary for our country. So their calculation in terms of these crude fiscal measures does not take into account that we desperately need these people. And finally, obviously, it just reduces people to just economic units rather than human beings.

And every single migrant is one. They're just a human. They're just a human.

And every single migrant is one. They're just a human. They're just a human.

Yeah, I think it's important that I try to go on mainstream media. I would love more opportunities to do that, frankly, but I do find that we're constantly on the back foot there. We're constantly reacting to the framing that is put upon us by, you know, the government's doing something horrific. Is this good? And you get very little space.

Yeah, I think it's important that I try to go on mainstream media. I would love more opportunities to do that, frankly, but I do find that we're constantly on the back foot there. We're constantly reacting to the framing that is put upon us by, you know, the government's doing something horrific. Is this good? And you get very little space.

And it's always sort of like locking people up in detention centers abroad. Good or bad? Yeah. It's just like, okay. And what it doesn't give us space to do is what I think the majority of the country actually wants. I think the majority of the country doesn't like the fact that if you're born in Sudan, you have such unequal chances in life. And if you want to change that, you risk drowning.

And it's always sort of like locking people up in detention centers abroad. Good or bad? Yeah. It's just like, okay. And what it doesn't give us space to do is what I think the majority of the country actually wants. I think the majority of the country doesn't like the fact that if you're born in Sudan, you have such unequal chances in life. And if you want to change that, you risk drowning.

I don't think people like that. I think people want to see that managed better, but we are not given options to manage it better. We are given options to lock people up and push people away. And people want to understand what the alternatives are. And the only way that I am able to do that is spaces like this, or if I am the one creating the content and creating the

I don't think people like that. I think people want to see that managed better, but we are not given options to manage it better. We are given options to lock people up and push people away. And people want to understand what the alternatives are. And the only way that I am able to do that is spaces like this, or if I am the one creating the content and creating the

And just a narrative about the alternatives, because the real big lie about migration is that the choices between having it or not having it. And the real truth is the choices between managing it well in a way that benefits us all or this horrific cruelty and death that we see at the current time.

And just a narrative about the alternatives, because the real big lie about migration is that the choices between having it or not having it. And the real truth is the choices between managing it well in a way that benefits us all or this horrific cruelty and death that we see at the current time.

What do you think is going to happen? One of the most common comments I get is like, you know what? Why are they, you know, spending £6,000 on a smuggler's boat when it costs £35 to fly here from Paris on EasyJet? And I'm like, mate, yeah, you know what? They're real dumb people. LAUGHTER You should have got a star scan of me. Seriously, let's put up some posters. I don't know. Is it yet?

What do you think is going to happen? One of the most common comments I get is like, you know what? Why are they, you know, spending £6,000 on a smuggler's boat when it costs £35 to fly here from Paris on EasyJet? And I'm like, mate, yeah, you know what? They're real dumb people. LAUGHTER You should have got a star scan of me. Seriously, let's put up some posters. I don't know. Is it yet?

What's your target audience right here? Absolutely insane how little people understand the privilege they have of being British, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's your target audience right here? Absolutely insane how little people understand the privilege they have of being British, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think there's something here, right? One is just the responsibility that we have to be doing what we can to change the narrative because the narrative is bad, but it is getting scary here and across Europe. And I think everybody just has the responsibility to use whatever voice they have to have better conversations. So one is that.

Yeah, I think there's something here, right? One is just the responsibility that we have to be doing what we can to change the narrative because the narrative is bad, but it is getting scary here and across Europe. And I think everybody just has the responsibility to use whatever voice they have to have better conversations. So one is that.

The other is, I don't know how much good I'm doing because, you know, you remember Trump and they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of hilarious, right? But like, I've been thinking about that a lot. It's really got under my skin. I'm like, what's the purpose of this? This is so clearly a lie.

The other is, I don't know how much good I'm doing because, you know, you remember Trump and they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of hilarious, right? But like, I've been thinking about that a lot. It's really got under my skin. I'm like, what's the purpose of this? This is so clearly a lie.