Zoe Gardner

That's how she's cut the numbers. Wow.

That's how she's cut the numbers. Wow.

Albania has been presented in the media as sort of like how she's achieved this. Actually, the Albania deal hasn't started yet. The drop in numbers has entirely been achieved through these horrific deals with Northern African countries. The Albania deal is yet to come into force.

Albania has been presented in the media as sort of like how she's achieved this. Actually, the Albania deal hasn't started yet. The drop in numbers has entirely been achieved through these horrific deals with Northern African countries. The Albania deal is yet to come into force.

So the Albania deal is different to the Rwanda deal. The Rwanda deal that we had was essentially that we would send people to Rwanda and regardless of who they were or what circumstances then occurred, they would stay in Rwanda, or at least they wouldn't come back to the UK. This is not the same at all. This is about the Italian administration of their asylum system saying,

So the Albania deal is different to the Rwanda deal. The Rwanda deal that we had was essentially that we would send people to Rwanda and regardless of who they were or what circumstances then occurred, they would stay in Rwanda, or at least they wouldn't come back to the UK. This is not the same at all. This is about the Italian administration of their asylum system saying,

taking place in detention camps in Albania. So that means that they have built these huge detention facilities in Albania. They have again sent many, many millions of pounds to the Albanian government and Italian civil servants are going to process the asylum claims of a select group of the asylum seekers who are seeking to land in Italy. They're going to do that processing on Albanian soil

taking place in detention camps in Albania. So that means that they have built these huge detention facilities in Albania. They have again sent many, many millions of pounds to the Albanian government and Italian civil servants are going to process the asylum claims of a select group of the asylum seekers who are seeking to land in Italy. They're going to do that processing on Albanian soil

People will remain detained there until the decision is made on their case. If they are recognized under Italian law as refugees, they will then be returned to Italy. But the intention is that the people sent there will be people that Italy deems unlikely to be refugees. But the intention is that then they will be removed if they are not found to be refugees, but they'll be removed from Albania.

People will remain detained there until the decision is made on their case. If they are recognized under Italian law as refugees, they will then be returned to Italy. But the intention is that the people sent there will be people that Italy deems unlikely to be refugees. But the intention is that then they will be removed if they are not found to be refugees, but they'll be removed from Albania.

So they'll be detained in Albania until that removal can be administered by Italy. So it's an enclave. It's a neo-colonial outpost.

So they'll be detained in Albania until that removal can be administered by Italy. So it's an enclave. It's a neo-colonial outpost.

Yeah. Yeah, I tend to pride myself on not being shocked by politicians' behaviour towards migrants. But I was shocked when Rishi Sunak hosied up to the extent he did to Georgia Maloney. So... Keir Starmer starting out his tenure as PM by going over there and having the exact same kind of giggly, cute little photo shoots with her. really turned my stomach to a degree I cannot even describe.

Yeah. Yeah, I tend to pride myself on not being shocked by politicians' behaviour towards migrants. But I was shocked when Rishi Sunak hosied up to the extent he did to Georgia Maloney. So... Keir Starmer starting out his tenure as PM by going over there and having the exact same kind of giggly, cute little photo shoots with her. really turned my stomach to a degree I cannot even describe.

He's going over there ostensibly to learn about, yeah, the offshoring element. So again, the irony is not the part that's actually impacted arrivals because it's not in place yet. So it simply cannot be argued to have done that.

He's going over there ostensibly to learn about, yeah, the offshoring element. So again, the irony is not the part that's actually impacted arrivals because it's not in place yet. So it simply cannot be argued to have done that.

But Starmer's made it pretty clear that he's not ruling out almost anything and certainly not ruling out the possibility of offshore processing of claims, which is, as I explained, is different to the idea of the Rwanda one.

But Starmer's made it pretty clear that he's not ruling out almost anything and certainly not ruling out the possibility of offshore processing of claims, which is, as I explained, is different to the idea of the Rwanda one.

Yeah, no, I mean, it has a lot of like fundamental elements in common. First and most important being that it is based on the flawed logic that through cruelty we can deter people from seeking safety and opportunity for their lives. And any expert will tell you that there is absolutely no evidence that that can be achieved. So first of all, like the Rwanda plan, this won't work.

Yeah, no, I mean, it has a lot of like fundamental elements in common. First and most important being that it is based on the flawed logic that through cruelty we can deter people from seeking safety and opportunity for their lives. And any expert will tell you that there is absolutely no evidence that that can be achieved. So first of all, like the Rwanda plan, this won't work.