Zoe Gardner

So I think she comes across badly, unwilling to engage and a bit delusional. And, But there is also an existential issue with the Tories, which we've spoken about before, which is they are fundamentally divided. They are divided over everything. Britain's position in the world, the economy, taxation, Brexit, the environment, things they all used to agree on.

So I think she comes across badly, unwilling to engage and a bit delusional. And, But there is also an existential issue with the Tories, which we've spoken about before, which is they are fundamentally divided. They are divided over everything. Britain's position in the world, the economy, taxation, Brexit, the environment, things they all used to agree on.

But then the Tory moderates were purged and now there's just kind of the right and a few moderates. So coming up with any workable policy that the party will get behind is actually impossible. So she's got no policy positions, but also she's got no charisma.

But then the Tory moderates were purged and now there's just kind of the right and a few moderates. So coming up with any workable policy that the party will get behind is actually impossible. So she's got no policy positions, but also she's got no charisma.

I listen to it.

I listen to it.

That's a shame. I listened to it for my work. You know, that's one of the things I did this week, actually, Elon. I listened to Jordan Peterson's podcast. It was terrible. They're both seeing who can do more word salad than the other one. You know, she's stuck in this podcast circuit, I think because she's trying to capture these voters who care more about ideology maybe than they do about policy.

That's a shame. I listened to it for my work. You know, that's one of the things I did this week, actually, Elon. I listened to Jordan Peterson's podcast. It was terrible. They're both seeing who can do more word salad than the other one. You know, she's stuck in this podcast circuit, I think because she's trying to capture these voters who care more about ideology maybe than they do about policy.

But she just talks herself into weird kind of segues and then doesn't really explain them. Like she talks a lot about how she's a Christian, a cultural Christian. She says that culture is upstream of religion. To me, that sounds all quite dog whistle. What is a cultural Christian? Like Christianity is a religion. Yeah. It's all very strange. She's very anti-immigration.

But she just talks herself into weird kind of segues and then doesn't really explain them. Like she talks a lot about how she's a Christian, a cultural Christian. She says that culture is upstream of religion. To me, that sounds all quite dog whistle. What is a cultural Christian? Like Christianity is a religion. Yeah. It's all very strange. She's very anti-immigration.

She talks very passionately about how she hated woke people at university and got in lots of arguments with them, which, you know, is not a good basis by which to select your next prime minister. But yeah, she's just stuck in this kind of podcast circuit, never getting a news line across. She's not being interviewed by proper journalists. And I do think that makes a difference.

She talks very passionately about how she hated woke people at university and got in lots of arguments with them, which, you know, is not a good basis by which to select your next prime minister. But yeah, she's just stuck in this kind of podcast circuit, never getting a news line across. She's not being interviewed by proper journalists. And I do think that makes a difference.

They know how to craft a narrative and get a headline. And if you're just talking to Jordan Peterson for two hours, I mean... Who cares?

They know how to craft a narrative and get a headline. And if you're just talking to Jordan Peterson for two hours, I mean... Who cares?

No, I don't know about the anglerfish. Coco, you really need to make sure you're well briefed before we record, okay? Because the anglerfish is all over TikTok. Oh, is it? The new mudang. The new mudang, exactly. So they usually live 2,000 metres below the surface, but one was caught surfacing in Tenerife the other day, and... just become a Gen Z meme and obsession.

No, I don't know about the anglerfish. Coco, you really need to make sure you're well briefed before we record, okay? Because the anglerfish is all over TikTok. Oh, is it? The new mudang. The new mudang, exactly. So they usually live 2,000 metres below the surface, but one was caught surfacing in Tenerife the other day, and... just become a Gen Z meme and obsession.

So there's loads of footage of this anglerfish with beautiful piano music, people saying, like, if you don't believe in yourself, be more like this fish who, you know, took their last moments in the sunshine. People are saying this is the Gen Z zeitgeist. You know, this fish captures how lonely and isolated Gen Z feel and is a kind of beacon of hope in a world of Kemi Badenoch and Georda Peterson.

So there's loads of footage of this anglerfish with beautiful piano music, people saying, like, if you don't believe in yourself, be more like this fish who, you know, took their last moments in the sunshine. People are saying this is the Gen Z zeitgeist. You know, this fish captures how lonely and isolated Gen Z feel and is a kind of beacon of hope in a world of Kemi Badenoch and Georda Peterson.

James Cleverley is really interesting, right? Because the other sort of successors, I guess, are Priti Patel, who was sat next to Kemi Badenoch in that clip. And then there's Robert Jenrick, who is, you know, we have lots of thoughts on Robert Jenrick. But they are trying to make themselves known and quite vocal. You know, Robert Jenrick is always chiming in about various culture war issues.

James Cleverley is really interesting, right? Because the other sort of successors, I guess, are Priti Patel, who was sat next to Kemi Badenoch in that clip. And then there's Robert Jenrick, who is, you know, we have lots of thoughts on Robert Jenrick. But they are trying to make themselves known and quite vocal. You know, Robert Jenrick is always chiming in about various culture war issues.