Zoe Schiffer

They're everywhere.

But I also want to touch on where Microsoft is in all of this, because obviously they're named as defendants in the lawsuit.

We're expecting Satya Nadella, the CEO, to testify, but they've been a little bit quiet.

Brian, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on kind of

what we're expecting from Microsoft, why they're kind of letting OpenAI duke this out while they, you know, also have a big financial stake in the outcome of this trial.

I mean, they've got this giant... You don't see Satya Nadella posting on X about it?

Also very Berkeley.

We call that poly.

One thing that's not directly part of this trial, but I still think is really important to name is just Elon Musk has this whole safety component to his argument.

He thinks that OpenAI's founding mission was to create AI that would benefit all of humanity.

He feels like they've gone back on that mission.

They've put profits over people, that kind of thing.

And he's making this argument that it's like growth at all costs.

It's not prioritizing safety, beneficial AI, all of those things.

At the same time, he is running an AI company, XAI, that puts very few guardrails on what people can do with those models.

They famously have launched AI girlfriends that talk to people in kind of a romantic and sexual manner.

People are able to…

jailbreak the models and do all sorts of things with them, it occasionally like goes off the rails and does kind of crazy things itself.

And so I think while, again, this isn't being litigated per se, like there is a deep irony in Elon Musk making these arguments about open AI, which frankly has a lot of guardrails in place, although it possibly needs more depending on who you talk to.

I think he has a shot.