Zoë Schiffer

Yeah, exactly.

Okay, one more quick hit of news.

So earlier this week, we reported that Anthropic was shutting down some of its most advanced AI models, CloudFable 5 and Mythos 5, after the Trump administration imposed strict export controls.

We did a bonus episode on that earlier this week.

So check that out if you haven't already.

But in terms of an update, as of this recording, it seems like Anthropic remains locked in negotiations with the administration.

The two sides have been meeting in Washington, D.C.

this week to kind of hash out the details.

But so far, no agreement has been reached.

Jailbreaks are just part of releasing software.

There will always be someone who's able to kind of get around the controls you put in place.

Yeah, I will say those companies have much stronger relationships with the Trump administration than Anthropic does.

I, you know, haven't been in the rooms, certainly, but I can just see Dario Amadei

Not being able to speak Trump particularly well, like you could see his advisors just being like, just say there's no fucking way to jailbreak it.

Just say the words.

And he's like, he can't do it.

He's like, no, well, actually, it's, you know, technically not.

Like, I just think they're great.

All I'm trying to say is very different personality types.

I think that Dario has a tendency to be a little didactic and, you know, specific in how he talks about these things.