Zoë Schiffer

And the Trump administration, especially right now, like doesn't appear to have a ton of technical expertise.

And so they're relying on outside experts to understand how bad is bad here.

The whole situation is really confusing and doesn't appear to be resolving anytime soon.

Really don't see that.

Really don't see that for us.

It's time for our Wired Tired segment.

It's been a minute since we've done this.

So just to give you a little refresher, whatever is new and cool is wired.

Whatever passe thing we're completely over is tired.

Brian, this week you get to go first.

No, I don't know what you're saying.

And it reminds you of your childhood with the dinosaurs, which is cool.

Cool, cool, cool, cool.

Yeah, yeah.

Cool.

I love that.

I'm legitimately going to look up that phone and see if it is for me because I have a tortured relationship with my phone like many people.

All right, Brian Barrett, do you remember a little company called Allbirds, by chance?

Yes, they made horrifically ugly, in my humble and personal opinion.

Actually, not humble.