Zuzanna Stamirowska

And then I actually went to, I had an option actually to go to a called Polytechnique for like my master's, et cetera.

And yeah, and then, so I did my master's specializing in game theory on graphs.

And game theory on graphs actually very quickly evolves into complexity science.

Once you do it, I mean, we have, you know, small particles, big structures.

It's more interesting, more fun if the structure keeps on changing.

And then you try to play a game on like an infinitely changing structure that keeps on growing.

I mean, this sounds tricky.

It is.

Yeah.

But of course, for, you know, for like a pretty long time, we're trying to crack it and kind of just bring it to some more universal levels of math.

Yeah.

Especially in particle physics and this sort of stuff.

Yeah.

the end of the day you have small particles bumping like doing something between them right sometimes in space bumping into each other sometimes having connections like in the graph and like or between neurons and you kind of send things over um and then this gives rise to like small folks doing something you know give rise to society or like i know a big phenomenon or intelligence i mean you name it but somehow once you get to the math it starts to look somewhat similar i mean i

I think physicists and mathematicians would kill me if I were to say that, you know, it's just all the same same.

But somehow you get those intuitions and some sort of like toolkits that help you to kind of put things at levels of abstraction that make it way less complex.

I mean, you know, things that all of a sudden start to look like just a sphere.

And you just say that it's like, you know, in infinite dimensions, but who cares?

It's like a sphere.

So this kind of, yeah, doing a lot of graphs and then playing games on it, inventing games.