Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is Debra Roberts. I'm here with another weekly episode of our latest series from 2020 and ABC Audio, The Hand in the Window. Remember, you can get new episodes early if you follow The Hand in the Window for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or your favorite podcast app. Now, here's the episode.
To Kim Major, there is nothing more normal than a Friday night football game. That's true now, and it was true back in September 2016.
On Friday night, my husband coaches football. He coached the football game. I actually took my younger kids to the football game.
Major has three kids. At the time, her two youngest were under eight years old. Even they knew something was going on at their mom's job. They noticed her working long hours, coming home after their bedtime. They even saw her on the news. Major had spent three days interviewing Sean Great, hearing his horrific confessions. The weight of it all was seeping into her home life.
Major sensed that her family needed a night that felt normal.
I sat there, which was also surreal, seeing all the things around me and the lights and the... People are happy. They're happy, they're cracking the helmets, the band, watching my husband, hearing the whistles, just the whole thing.
Friday night lights.
It's Friday night lights. That's small-town America.
But while the crowd roared and the band played, Major couldn't stop thinking about Great's case and something he kept mentioning in their interviews, specifically the forts that he had built in the woods.
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Chapter 2: What happened during the Friday night football game in Ashland?
I just recently built a fort.
Did you build that fort there for a reason?
Well, I knew the area.
Great kept bringing up one fort in particular. There was something about this fort that nagged at Major, even when she was off the clock.
I came home early, a little bit earlier, when the game was just ending. I brought my kids home, put them to bed, and then I was sitting in the living room, and my oldest son came in, Corbin.
Corbin Major was 19 at the time. He was getting ready to enter the police academy.
He walks in, and he's like, what's going on, Mom? I said... Sean Gray keeps talking about this fort he built. And my son said, where is it? And I said, well, if you come up out of Mifflin and you take that first left, and my son cut me off and said, and then you take a hard right and there's a gas well up there. And they found a girl there a while back.
And this, as a crow flies, is, I don't know, a mile, two miles from my home.
Despite how close it was, Kim Major had never heard of the case her son was talking about. She worked in town, and this was out in the countryside.
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Chapter 3: How did Kim Major feel after interviewing Shawn Grate?
He thought it might be a discarded Halloween decoration. But as he got closer, he realized it was a body, half naked, resting against a tree. The worker called 911, and investigators soon realized that there were visible tattoos on the body that matched those of a person who had been reported missing, a local woman, 31-year-old Rebecca Lacey.
Her family, who called her Becky, had been searching for her for more than a month. Her father told a local journalist that Rebecca had a drug problem. He said that to earn money, she'd been doing sex work. When the Richland County Coroner's Office examined Rebecca Lacey's body, they produced a toxicology report showing cocaine and opioids in her system.
They ruled that the cause of death was a drug overdose. That's why Detective Kim Major was hesitant about her son Corbin's suggestion. With a cause of death determined, the case of Rebecca Lacey was all but wrapped up. But Corbin seemed sure that Great was somehow involved. So the next day, Major went down to the jail where Great was being held.
How you doing, Sean? How are you?
All right. Major sat Great in an interview room and told him she was looking for clarification.
There's a case from out in the county, meaning that we found a girl. And we're trying to see if you'll be honest, if that's something you had something to do with. We're asking for that. Rebecca Lacy.
Great answered without hesitation.
He said, Rebecca Lacy. And I knew.
We have another victim.
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Chapter 4: What was the significance of the fort mentioned by Shawn Grate?
Once again, Major left the interview room with a confession from Sean Great and a promise that there were no more crimes he needed to complain about. But in the days that followed, Great kept asking to see Detective Major. Before she could meet him again, she heard something troubling.
A month after he's arrested, a fellow inmate tells you that Sean Great is targeting you, that he wants to kill you?
Yeah. The inmate said he needed to talk to me, needed it to be in secret. He didn't want anybody to see him talking to me. So I made that arrangement, and I sat down in front of him.
He said that Sean Great told him he was trying to find my gun on my body, couldn't figure out where I was keeping it, and that he thought it would be the ultimate to kill me as the female detective that was handling his case.
Despite this allegation that Sean Grade was making a threat against her life, Major believed there was the chance that Grade wanted to see her because he had more to confess. The information that Major received from the inmate didn't lead to any additional charges against Grade. When Major next interviewed him, they met at the jail where no weapons were allowed.
During this interview, Great's behavior was erratic. He was upset with the other inmates in the jail and at the staff.
Okay.
How do you feel like they're playing games with you?
Sitting in front of him again, Major thought about the alleged threat that Great had told an inmate he wanted to kill her.
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Chapter 5: What led Detective Kim Major to connect Grate with Rebecca Lacey's case?
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Chapter 6: What confessions did Shawn Grate make during his interviews?
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