The Religious Cult Behind North Korea’s Power (#303)
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We think we understand North Korea. We call it communist. But is it? Hi, everyone. I'm Lynne Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways. On Three Takeaways, I talk with some of the world's best thinkers, business leaders, writers, politicians, newsmakers, and scientists. Each episode ends with three key takeaways to help us understand the world and maybe even ourselves a little better. Today, I'm excited to be with Jonathan Chang. John is the China Bureau Chief for the Wall Street Journal. Before that, he served as the paper's Korea Bureau Chief. He's also the author of the wonderful new book, Korean Messiah. Welcome, John, and thanks so much for joining Three Takeaways today.
It's a real pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.
It is my pleasure. John, what do most people misunderstand about North Korea? We call it communist, but is it?
Well, it is communist to a degree. I don't want to suggest that it isn't altogether. It was founded under the auspices of the USSR at the end of World War II in 1945. But I think that when we misunderstand North Korea, we misunderstand it by thinking that it is primarily a communist or socialist or Stalinist state. It certainly is that, and it certainly is a nation state. But I think perhaps even to think of it as a nation state doesn't quite, in my opinion, get to the essence of what North Korea is. I would argue that what North Korea is at its root is it's a religious society. It's a country, yes, of 25 million people. It is cut off from the outside world. It does have many trappings of statehood.
It has a seat at the United Nations. It has a flag. It has an anthem. It has a military. It has coinage. It has postage stamps. All of those are true. And yet, when you really peel back the layers, what you get is a society that is built around the founding family, the Kim family. We know Kim Jong-un is the third generation leader of North Korea. But if you go back to his father and ultimately to his grandfather, the founder of the state, Kim Il-sung, that's really what this state is built around. It's built around what I might even go so far as to call worship of Kim Il-sung. That's really what lies at the center of this state.
What are the roots of this worship, this belief system?
Many people would be surprised to know that many of the ideological roots of this state religion, if you want to call it that, can be traced in a meandering way, but through American postbellum Presbyterianism. And you had many young men and women ivy league or college university educated who would sail to the ends of the earth to spread the christian message among them was a young man from indiana he arrives in korea in 1890 he's one of the very first the first handful of foreign missionaries to ever arrive in korea He goes up to Pyongyang, today the capital of the Kim dynasty, and he does what missionaries do. He tells them about the Christian message. And it took hold there in Pyongyang in a way that it never really took hold almost anywhere else in all of Asia.
It became a city that was so Christianized that it was known as the Jerusalem of the East. And out of that comes the family of Kim Il-sung, or if you want to put it another way, the family of Kim Jong-un. They were among the very, very first families to convert to Christianity in Korea, and they were among the most fervent believers, such that when Kim Il-sung was born in 1912, He was born into a rich Christian environment. He grew up not only going to church on Sundays with his mother and his father, he grew up learning to play the organ in church. He grew up performing in church plays. He taught Sunday school. He spoke at the YMCA. He was a leader of a church youth group. He lived in the home of a pastor for several years.
And this deep understanding of faith and how it works, I think, played a pretty central role in the state that he created when he was catapulted to power in 1945 at the age of just 33 years old.
What do most people misunderstand about North Korea?
And why do you think he adopted this essentially religious system of veneration of himself and his descendants?
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