Chapter 1: What unique approach did Elon Musk take to rocket costs?
Love him or hate him, Elon Musk has built companies like Tesla and SpaceX that introduced a radically different way of building cars and rockets. There's a story about Elon that I love. Early on, he flew to Russia, hoping to buy a rocket. The engineers there laughed at him. On the flight home, he started breaking down the cost of a rocket, material by material.
He realized that the physical components of a rocket cost only about 2% of the total cost. The rest, administrative costs, bureaucracy, and layers of inefficiency. That insight helped spark the idea that eventually became SpaceX. Elon says that thinking behind companies like Tesla and SpaceX follows a formula he calls the algorithm. So what is that algorithm?
And what might happen if more of us started thinking that way? Hi, everyone. I'm Lynne Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways. On Three Takeaways, I talk with some of the world's best thinkers, business leaders, writers, politicians, newsmakers, and scientists. Each episode ends with three key takeaways to help us understand the world and maybe even ourselves a little better.
Today, I'm excited to be joined by John McNeil. John has spent his career building and scaling companies. Before joining Tesla, he founded and sold six startups. So he knows firsthand what it takes to turn bold ideas into real businesses. At Tesla, he served as president, working closely with Elon Musk.
Today, John is a venture investor and the author of the wonderful book, The Algorithm, where he lays out the thinking behind Tesla and SpaceX. He also explores how that approach to solving problems can apply far beyond cars and rockets. John, it's great to have you on the show. Thank you for joining Three Takeaways today.
Thanks for having me.
It is my pleasure. John, Elon talks about his five-step algorithm for building things. What is the first step of that algorithm and how did it shape the way Tesla was built?
This algorithm got developed over time, basically through the mistakes that we had made. And we did a lot of time riffing and reflecting on mistakes that we've made. And the first step of the algorithm comes from a number of experiences. And that is question every requirement. Ask if those requirements are a requirement of law, of physics, or safety.
And ask for the name of the person who came up with the requirement. So you can go interrogate whether that is really true or not. We were riffing one day on digital sales. And we had a limited amount of money. We could only open so many stores. We'd opened several hundred around the world. And then we started to brainstorm, could we sell a $100,000 product online, sight unseen?
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Chapter 2: What is the algorithm behind Tesla and SpaceX's innovation?
And I said, well, 44 of the 60 clicks are in one document, and that is the loan release document. And it's because those loan documents are like dozens of pages long. But let me figure out if there's a way around that. And so I went and questioned the requirement of every paragraph that was in a loan document. We had a great member of our legal team go through this with me and for me.
But he came back and he said, you wouldn't believe this. Almost the entire loan document is not a requirement of law or regulators. It's well-meaning corporate attorneys who are trying to protect their bank. But none of this stuff matters. So I went back to the next week's brainstorming session with Elon. I'm like, do you know what?
What I just heard was 12 pages of loan docs that everybody assumes are required aren't required. It can be done in one paragraph. So I went and talked to like 10 different banks. They all slammed the door in my face. And then we finally got to a bank in Minneapolis, US Bank. And they said, we'll do it. We'll do a one-click loan.
And we got 44 clicks like eliminated immediately because we questioned a loan doc. Like who would be crazy enough to question paragraphs and loan docs? But we were crazy enough to do this sort of thing. So that's first step in the algorithm. If you're going to have a breakthrough, it gets a lot easier if you remove requirements that aren't real.
Can you share more of what that looked like in the design of Tesla cars and how Mattel toy cars with just a top and bottom piece became a kind of inspiration?
Elon gave us this challenge. Could we take 50% of the cost out of building a car? So he wouldn't ask for 5%. He wouldn't ask for 10%. He'd ask for something ridiculous because it takes you to another level of thinking. So the way a factory is laid out is they're often more than a mile long and they're kind of long rectangles.
And you can go to the halfway point, the 50 yard line of a car factory, and you can look to your right and you've got hundreds of robots building the skeleton of the car. It's called the body shop typically. And you can look to your left and you've got thousands of people hanging parts on that skeleton. And that's called general assembly.
Doug Field, who is head of engineering, and I walked out on the scaffolding that sits above the floor so we could like start to brainstorm about how we could take 50 percent of the cost of the car out. And we were doing this because we'd been to China and we'd seen how cost effective China was. And quite frankly, we were scared to death. And so this wasn't just like an exercise out of thin air.
It was an exercise we believed in long term survival. So Doug and I are out there looking at the factory and we look to our right and we see all these robots building the skeleton of the car. And then Doug's like, I got an idea. So he comes back the next day and we're in a conference room and he rolls a matchbox car across the conference table and says, here's the idea.
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Chapter 3: How did questioning requirements lead to breakthroughs at Tesla?
And it's literally hundreds of pounds of wire that gets strung around the car. So different things work like your headlights and your music and your seat and the AC, etc., When they did the teardown, they realized that the Tesla wiring harness weighed 76 pounds less than the Ford wiring harness. That's a very big deal because that's basically half a human you have to carry around in the car.
And so that really affects the car's range. And Farley said, I knew why it happened because car people at Ford never questioned pulling weight out of the wiring harness. So they would just call the supply chain people and say, I need a wiring harness. And they would order one up. Whereas the Tesla people were like...
No, like to get range out of the car, like we got to completely rethink the way this wiring harness works. And so they had completely redesigned the wiring harness to save weight. And Farley said that is the example of why like having non-car people involved makes sense because these people had come from building phones and laptops. where the weight really matters.
And so they thought about like how to be super efficient with the electronics they were designing. And that's just one small example of how orthogonal thinkers can be really productive.
John, you had weekly meetings with Elon every Tuesday. Did knowing you and the team had to report progress directly to him light a fire under the entire organization? What were those meetings actually like?
So there are a couple of kinds of meetings when it comes to Tesla. And I do think this aspect that you're pointing to, Lynn, is the, I think this is the thing that people will come to understand and probably write about decades from now in terms of what makes him such an effective leader of fast-moving companies.
He picks like the one or two things that are existential to the company, and then he only works on those. And they become the focus of his time at the company. For example, right now at Tesla, that is autonomy and robotics. So he'll show up and he's only working on those two issues. And the teams that are working on those issues have to report weekly progress to him.
And if you're a team meeting with the CEO, you do not bring your B game. You bring your A game. And if something's going south, he knows every week. It allows him to keep momentum up. And so, Elon can allocate capital where it's needed super quickly because he's seeing it firsthand. It's not coming through reports or presentation decks. He's seeing it firsthand.
One thing you've noted is that Elon can sometimes just sit there in silence during meetings. What's going on in those moments?
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