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Pauline Hanson and the end of political consequence

19 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.077 - 4.793 Daniel James

I'm Daniel James and you're listening to 7am.

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Chapter 2: What grievances fuelled Pauline Hanson's political career?

8.198 - 26.565 Daniel James

This week Pauline Hanson took to the National Press Club stage with the greatest hits collection of the grievances that have fuelled her political career. Immigration, multiculturalism, trans rights, Indigenous Australians, the political elite, the changing face of the country were all in her sights.

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26.585 - 49.107 Daniel James

The backlash against the speech from the government, sections of the community and the commentariat was immediate. But that may no longer be enough. For years, Hanson survived controversies that would have ended most political careers. And as One Nation's support grows, one thing is becoming more evident. We are now entering a political era where outrage carries no penalty.

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49.087 - 75.583 Daniel James

where the shock of what politicians say matters less than the anger they channel. Today, columnist and former advisor to Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard, Sean Kelly, on Hanson's resurgence, the opportunities it creates for politicians of every persuasion, and what becomes possible when voters decide the old political order is broken. It's Saturday, June 20th.

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You might remember Elon Musk was given a big chainsaw to try and cut government tape and bureaucracies over in America. We need more than one of these things. We actually need a beautiful, big, fat, where is it? It's coming.

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101.973 - 116.067 Daniel James

Sean, good to speak to you again. Should we start with the small orange bulldozer in the room? Now, I'm going to try and refrain from swearing here, so I'm going to ask this question. What the hell is going on with Pauline's latest gift from Gina Reinhart?

118.038 - 139.438 Sean Kelly

Well, we all remember Scott Morrison describing himself as a bulldozer in the dying stages of the 2022 campaign. Now, that was an attempt by Morrison to reframe the sense that he was a bit of a bully, a little bit of a stubborn guy, into a real positive. He was a bulldozer. He got things done. He pushed through barriers.

139.587 - 152.562 Sean Kelly

I mean, that was the message that Gina Reinhart, you know, Pauline Hanson's best friend these days, was trying to send about Pauline Hanson, that she is somebody who will get things done, who will push through barriers.

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We need an orange bulldozer.

Chapter 3: What was the immediate backlash to Hanson's National Press Club speech?

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Let's hear the noise. Grrrr!

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162.571 - 176.435 Sean Kelly

She's the orange bulldozer. And, you know, I think we also probably have to acknowledge there was a bit of mining subtext there, wasn't there? I think so, yes. Orange bulldozers are not absent from mining sites, so a little bit of subliminal advertising perhaps as well.

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OK. I don't hear that noise. Let's hear a bit more.

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Chapter 4: How has Pauline Hanson survived controversies in her career?

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184.12 - 199.412 Daniel James

You wrote at the start of this week that Pauline Hanson's press club speech could end up being consequential or could end up being irrelevant. We're days away now from that in the distant past. Which one is it?

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199.392 - 222.981 Sean Kelly

I mean, I think probably irrelevant in the wider scheme of things. I don't think it shifted anything in any particular direction. And the reason I wrote that beforehand is because press club speeches are traditional set pieces of the political landscape. And so there was a sense that this was Pauline Hanson's... her acceptance into the institutional settings of Canberra.

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Chapter 5: What does Sean Kelly say about the political era of outrage?

223.001 - 248.923 Sean Kelly

And, you know, I think we should rightly be concerned about that. But also it is a tough question to ask now, exactly what should the relationship of institutions like the Press Club be towards a figure like Pauline Hanson, obviously a very concerning far-right figure who is also currently leading a number of polls taken of the Australian people.

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248.903 - 270.22 Sean Kelly

So the reason I said it could be significant is because those are generally significant occasions. But the reason I said it could end up being irrelevant is because I just don't know what would really affect Pauline Hanson's rise right now. And to a great extent, that's because she appears fairly untethered by any typical political concerns.

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270.2 - 291.027 Daniel James

Yeah, do you think that the real worry here, Sean, is that we're at this nihilistic moment, which Donald Trump reached quite early in his political career, where he can say and do anything and not lose a skerrick of support from his base, retain the interest of the mainstream media? I mean, Pauline Hanson's on record for saying that there are no good Muslims.

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291.007 - 306.304 Daniel James

She said at the press club that she wants to get rid of SBS, that workers are lazy, that the ABC should be a subscription service, that we should be monocultural. Do you think we're at a point now that she can say and do anything and it's not going to affect her support?

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306.524 - 320.76 Sean Kelly

I think that is true at this particular moment. So I think there are a few things to take from that appearance. The first is that we should make no mistake, she is a very far-right politician. There was anti-trans stuff.

320.926 - 339.077 Pauline Hanson

Dr Deep Krista, the head of the Human Rights Commission, wants more power, basically to control the debate about what is a woman and this stuff is going on in schools. This transgender ideology is infecting all of society.

339.638 - 341.702 Sean Kelly

There was anti-Muslim stuff.

341.885 - 357.792 Pauline Hanson

Western civilisation and its values are under siege. The people to whom I speak are fed up with hate preachers in some Sydney mosques. If they hate this country, they should be told to leave.

358.533 - 360.737 Sean Kelly

There was anti-immigration stuff.

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