Police trial live face-scanning technology: what could possibly go wrong?
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
I'm Daniel James and you're listening to 7am.
What is the new facial recognition technology being trialed by police in Western Australia?
In Western Australia, police have just started trialling a technology that can identify people as they walk past. A marked police van will scan faces outside major events, cross-checking them against a watch list of people wanted by authorities. Police say it's targeted and that innocent people have nothing to fear. But once this kind of surveillance is switched on, the question becomes how far it spreads and who decides when it stops. Today, University of New South Wales cyber security expert Professor Richard Buckland on the scope creep of live facial recognition and the danger of normalising police powers before the public understands them.
How does the live facial recognition van operate during the trial?
It's Tuesday, June 23.
This is our custom-built live facial recognition van, which is going to be used to assist police operations. The van has a number of features inside it, including a computer system which processes images from high-quality cameras, which then compares those images against a database.
Richard, WA Police have announced a trial of live facial recognition technology. What can you tell us about the technology and how will this trial work?
So this is a very limited trial they've announced.
What concerns arise regarding the transparency and safety of this technology?
It's just in one van which will be marked saying, according to the images we've seen, that there's facial recognition running. And how it works is they are looking for particular people in this case. So they've got presumably a database somewhere of people faces of people that fit a certain category and they're trying to see if any of those people walk past the van.
The important thing for us in our police force working with our community is transparency and public safety. That's why the van has police written on the side. It has very clear signage about what it's doing.
And the categories they've mentioned are people who are wanted for domestic violence, known sex offenders. So pretty reprehensible people and the sort of people you'd really want the police to be able to catch. And it would seem reasonable that they'd be out in public looking for these people.
This is not about mass surveillance. This is about specifying those in our community who are wanted by police because there is an arrest warrant out for them, who are on sex offender lists, who should not be in the vicinity, particularly of young children. But it's also about helping missing people.
As we understand it, they're obviously a bit coy about the details, but the images are scanned in real time. If there's a match, then the recording is left showing those faces and the police are alerted in real time, presumably in the van. And then the other faces that don't match anyone on this list are pixelated.
This is actually a way that we can increase the freedoms and the privacy of our community.
The police commissioner says this is actually a less intrusive option than what police currently rely on, which is CCTV footage from private citizens.
Look, I've always been concerned about the spread of CCTV around our community, particularly the ownership of the cameras, where the information's stored, how long they're stored. We don't even know half these cameras and who's using them.
What do you make of that argument? Yeah, I mean, it's the argument that we always hear with privacy-related things. I'm sure the police will continue using the methods that they currently have, so there's in no sense is adding this into the mix less intrusive.
What is the potential for scope creep with facial recognition technology?
It's actually widening the range of surveillance powers they have. The argument's not going to the heart of things for a number of reasons. It is certainly the case that the police will use this to catch people that everyone agrees should be caught. The problem isn't with the software doing its job. The problem is what are the consequences to everyone else? What's the consequence to a society of having cameras everywhere? And if this goes, continues on this trajectory, then this software now could be used once the trials run and everyone's happy with the trial, which achieved its no-blame.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–0:09
2
What is the new facial recognition technology being trialed by police in Western Australia?
0:09–0:53
3
How does the live facial recognition van operate during the trial?
0:53–1:29
4
What concerns arise regarding the transparency and safety of this technology?
1:29–3:38
5
What is the potential for scope creep with facial recognition technology?
3:38–4:28
6
How has facial recognition technology been implemented in other parts of the world?
4:28–5:32
7
What are the implications of wrongful arrests due to facial recognition errors?
5:32–5:51
8
How does racial bias affect the accuracy of facial recognition technology?
5:51–17:21
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