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The next pandemic: Why the world’s more at risk than ever

01 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.027 - 28.789 Ruby Jones

I'm Ruby Jones, and you're listening to 7am. More than five years on from COVID, a new report has found the world is even more vulnerable to new pandemics than it was before. The report, by a body linked to the World Health Organisation, has been released as the world grapples with Ebola and Hantavirus outbreaks, as well as one of Australia's worst diphtheria outbreaks on record.

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Chapter 2: What does the new report say about global pandemic vulnerability?

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The report found that despite advances in vaccines and diagnostics, climate change, armed conflict and misinformation are undermining global preparedness. Today, Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on the risk of a large-scale disease outbreak and what we should be doing to prepare for it. It's Tuesday, June 2.

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57.018 - 77.266 Ruby Jones

So Sharon, a new report has just been released from the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board, which is linked to the World Health Organization. And that report, it warns that the world is now more vulnerable to major disease outbreaks than it was before COVID. So talk to me a bit about this report and how it comes to that warning.

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77.587 - 104.786 Professor Sharon Lewin

Yeah, the report was a bit alarming, actually, to read it. And they made a few points. They made the point that there has been more outbreaks, They have been more severe and with greater economic impact since COVID. But probably the one that really worries me is that there's less equity about access to tools to end those outbreaks, such as diagnostics, therapeutics and vaccines.

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105.427 - 111.375 Professor Sharon Lewin

We have learned a lot, of course, from COVID. I think there's been a lot of scientific advances.

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Chapter 3: How are current outbreaks like Ebola and Hantavirus related to pandemic risks?

111.355 - 141.368 Professor Sharon Lewin

But there's been a lot of changes in the world with regard to mistrusting government, misinformation, AI. It's increasingly hard, I think, for people to really understand facts. And that's making it all very difficult. And at the same time, there are requirements for our global leaders to ensure equitable access to tools that we are developing, which requires partnerships across the world.

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141.428 - 145.457 Professor Sharon Lewin

And there's been big geopolitical changes as well that I think are impacting that.

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146.118 - 156.774 Ruby Jones

Okay, well, I want to come back to some of those ideas that you've raised, but the report has landed as we've seen several very different outbreaks worldwide.

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The World Health Organization has declared an Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Health officials investigating the deadly outbreak of Hantavirus on a luxury cruise ship quarantined off the coast of Africa. One of the worst outbreaks of diphtheria in Australian history. More than 130 cases have been confirmed in the NT, including one suspected death.

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These obviously aren't comparative threats, but do they belong in the same conversation?

Chapter 4: What factors are undermining global preparedness for pandemics?

181.451 - 204.484 Professor Sharon Lewin

I think they do. When people think of a pandemic, they think COVID. And of course, that was like the pandemic of all pandemics. But outbreaks that have the potential to expand raise just as much concern. And it's your opportunity to have a really big impact by limiting the outbreak. So just imagine Hantavirus, this new strand of Hantavirus andes that we saw on the cruise ship.

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204.545 - 232.487 Professor Sharon Lewin

Imagine that that hadn't been diagnosed and all those people went back to their various countries. Hantavirus has this really long incubation period, which means the time between exposure And the time of becoming unwell can be up to six weeks. And people are roaming around. You can just imagine the multiplier effect of this. So any outbreak that has the potential for broader

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233.159 - 250.729 Professor Sharon Lewin

pandemic spread is something that the world needs to care about. And that is relevant for hantavirus, for Ebola, and also diphtheria because, you know, diphtheria is preventable through vaccination. And of course, we're seeing declining rates of vaccination, including here in Australia as well.

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250.709 - 263.983 Ruby Jones

Okay, can we talk a little more about the Ebola outbreak? I mean, this isn't the first outbreak, but it does seem like a particularly serious one. So can you tell me why it is that global health authorities are so worried about what's happening in Central Africa?

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264.224 - 273.814 Professor Sharon Lewin

We've known about Ebola since the 70s, and nearly all outbreaks have been in Central Africa, except for 2014, where we saw a large outbreak in West Africa.

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In West Africa, Ebola is now an epidemic of the likes that we have not seen before. It's spiraling out of control.

Chapter 5: What lessons have we learned from COVID-19 regarding disease outbreaks?

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It is getting worse. It's spreading faster and exponentially.

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285.748 - 311.749 Professor Sharon Lewin

Central Africa, particularly the Democratic Republic of Congo, are very familiar with Ebola. However, these first cases happened in a remote area of the country. And it was from a strain, Bundibugo, that wasn't picked up on the routine test for Ebola. So there was a bit of time before people actually understood what was happening. And when that happens, you get spread of the disease unchecked.

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311.729 - 330.514 Professor Sharon Lewin

Added to that, it's in an area that's under significant conflict and therefore there isn't stable government to make big changes there. It's spreading to other areas in other countries. Added to that, we don't have a vaccine or a therapeutic for this strain of Ebola.

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The deadly Ebola outbreak, the number of cases and fatalities surging tonight. The head of the World Health Organization traveling to the epicenter of the outbreak.

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339.286 - 362.897 Professor Sharon Lewin

Just to put it in context, though, the outbreak in 2014, which was also in a difficult area, Western Africa, Sierra Leone and neighbouring countries that had fragile governments, you know, there was something like 14,000 people that were affected. At the moment, the reported cases are 900. It's probably bigger, but hasn't quite reached the scales that we saw in 2014.

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But so far, the World Health Organization has said this doesn't reach the benchmark, if you like, for a pandemic, let alone a global pandemic. They say this is a public health emergency of international concern, but it hasn't yet reached pandemic proportions.

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So there's no vaccine for Ebola, but there is for diphtheria. That's a vaccine preventable disease. It was once considered basically eradicated. We're seeing a return in Australia in remote parts of the country. Can you tell me a bit about why that is and what this outbreak tells us about the vulnerabilities that we have here at home?

399.412 - 423.179 Professor Sharon Lewin

Yeah, I think this is a good example as well of the intersection between science and socioeconomic factors that drive transmission of infectious diseases. So we have a childhood vaccine against diphtheria, which is why we rarely see it You know, up until recently, 95% of children across Australia had all of their vaccinations.

423.8 - 448.113 Professor Sharon Lewin

And we're seeing this outbreak is in remote and large Indigenous communities where vaccination uptake has been dropping. The theory of vaccine prevents... people from becoming sick from the bacteria and not actually acquiring the bacteria. So therefore, people can be carrying that bacteria in their nose and throats and spread it to people that are unvaccinated.

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