Who decided AI was inevitable?
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Who is Cory Doctorow and what does 'enshittification' mean?
Corey Doctorow is the author and tech critic who brought us the term enshitification.
First, a company is good to its end users, then it locks them in, and then it is good to its business customers, who then get locked in, and then it takes all the value for itself, leaving behind a giant pile of shit. That is enshitification, a tragedy in three acts.
Now he's warning that what we've been led to believe is the inevitable march of AI towards world domination isn't that inevitable after all. And actually what we're marching towards could be the end of the AI bubble. Because every time you ask ChatGPT, Claude or Gemini a question, companies like OpenAI are losing money. The more we use, the more they lose. And while those AI giants burn through billions of dollars a year, gambling that eventually they'll figure out how to turn it into a profitable business, the world's economy is hanging in the balance. I'm Ruby Jones, and you're listening to 7am. Today, Corey Doctorow on why the AI boom is being pushed into every part of our lives and what happens when the bubble bursts.
It's Tuesday, July 28th. Corey, welcome to 7am. Thanks for coming on the show.
Oh, well, thank you for having me on.
So I thought we could begin by talking about some of the claims that are made around AI and its inevitability. The way it's sort of framed as this technology that has arrived, it's going to change the nature of work, it's going to fundamentally reshape life as we know it. So to begin with, tell me a bit about who's making these claims and why they are.
Well, I think that we've heard these claims before. We heard that cryptocurrency was going to replace all of our transactions, that the metaverse was going to replace the web, that NFTs were going to replace all art.
We're talking about AI physics or AI biology for drug discovery, AI agents for customer service and support of diagnosis, and of course, physical AI, robotic systems.
Who is claiming AI's inevitability and why are they making those claims?
This kind of claim to declare a fait accompli even before you got started is very powerful rhetorically.
All of these AI capabilities that make you smarter, help you communicate better, improve your memory, improve your senses, and more.
It's a way to exterminate any thought that things might be different before you can even start thinking about it.
At Anthropic, we talk a lot about the exponential, and I think that's what we're all feeling right now. The jumps keep getting bigger and the intervals keep getting shorter.
And we hear it now from AI people who are desperately trying to explain how they can take a sector that grosses 50 billion American dollars a year and somehow turn it into a profit-making venture, despite the fact that they've spent more than a trillion dollars just this year, And despite the fact that every generation of it is less profitable than the previous generation, and despite the fact that they're having to replace all of their hardware every two to three years.
We just heard from OpenAI CEO Sam Altman with a fresh look at the company's financials. He says that they expect their annualized revenue run rate to top $20 billion this year. It was $13 billion before that. And to grow to hundreds of billions by 2030. That's also a revision upward.
Yeah, so this kind of talk, it's led to what many people have speculated is an AI bubble, that believing big tech, when it talks about what AI can and will do, we've now arrived at this place where we have vastly overestimated its value. So what is your view on whether AI is actually providing what it's promising, the productivity and profits?
Well, the productivity and profit are nowhere to be found in the world. You have some anecdata from individuals who say, well, I've used AI and made myself far more productive. But when you actually look at the firms that have deployed AI, what you find is that even with the massive subsidy the AI companies are offering, and the subsidies can't be overstated. Basically, at this point, AI companies are selling $100 bills at $1 apiece. And even with that, you're not finding the productivity gains that firms were hoping for.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
Who is Cory Doctorow and what does 'enshittification' mean?
0:01–2:20
2
Who is claiming AI's inevitability and why are they making those claims?
2:20–6:56
3
Is the AI boom actually producing productivity and profits for companies?
6:56–12:47
4
Why are AI companies burning cash and how does that affect their valuations?
12:47–16:52
5
How could AI-driven growth make the broader economy precarious?
16:52–18:19
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